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2004 (June to August) Wednesday, June 2 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Carol, Then, you'll need practice time in an empty parking lot yourself. While I usually counsel taking a riding course, the fact is that I started out on a Kawi 750 with no idea what I was doing! But, I was smart and only rode early Sunday mornings with virtually no traffic and I could get it to a local place with lots of room to begin mastering the many necessary skills (reliable stopping and taking off, turns, curves, etc.) Since you want to get to work and back, you'll need to consider whether that's on side streets, highway riding time, etc. I'd be looking in the 250-500cc range for a starter bike. If you see a bike advertised, but it's not clear on the cc, look it up on the Internet! Any of the "metric" bikes will do (i.e. Honda, Kawi, Suzuki, Yami). Your first bike is rarely your dream bike and you've got a lot to learn along the way. But I support your "go get 'em" attitude and suggest you at least pick up a book on riding so you gain some knowledge on road riding etiquette, etc. Check my Reading Sources Page for suggestions. – Mama Tuesday, June 8 Dear
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Val, Also, any first bike is a trial and error situation on learning what works (seating, handlebars, etc.) and you're doing a good job figuring out what you need to be doing to make the bike as perfect for you as possible. Good job! Readers with thoughts on the handling characteristics of the Softail Custom should chime in now as I've never been on this bike. – Mama Wednesday, June 9 Dear
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Kara, Friday, June 11 Dear
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Rox, So here are some steps to consider. One, take a riding course on a 250cc bike to refresh your knowledge and re-enter riding under the watchful eye of a qualified instructor. Or find a private instructor to help you re-enter. Two, think about purchasing a used 250cc or slightly bigger (maybe up to 500cc) bike for 6 months of dedicated practice time (first in empty parking lots and then gradually into the neighborhood and then light traffic and then heavier traffic and then country roads and then highways). If necessary, keep a full gas can in the garage so you can gas up at home before tackling the dreaded gas station thingy. This will also give you the much needed confidence to more accurately judge what will truly be your dream bike in the future (while not worrying about banging this one up!). Yes, we are more concerned about not banging up our bodies and breaking bones, but new bikes tend to make new(er) riders jittery as there is much bigger financial stake at hand (fixing the new bike when the oopsies happen!). Three, meanwhile, visit motorcycles dealers, attend rallies and other events, and look at bikes! What strikes you as the perfect fit?! Walk up to women with their own bikes, introduce yourself, and ask pertinent questions. They'll more than likely be glad to share their thoughts! Four, find a local chapter of a women's riding organization by visiting my Cool Links page -- and get in contact. These are women who can provide a source of support, inspiration and empathy that will serve you well as you continue your journey in riding. One of them may even have a used bike that would be perfect for you now. Ok, ready, set, go . . . go, go, go! – Mama Monday, June 14 Dear
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Noel, Tee, hee, hee -- I had to use Google to find my own posting on this! Ok, so I first posed the question on 2/10/04 wondering if it was actually patented. This humorous response came in two days later. A quick (new) search revealed that Harley made the attempt, but patenting a sound was laughable. One article noted that if you read the patent request, it was really for the 45 degree v-twin arrangement of the engine. So, no, I don't believe the sound is patented! – Mama Tuesday, June 15 Dear
VTwin Mama, Just started riding after tax day in April on a new Suzuki 250GZ. At the dealership, the 650 seemed just a bit big for me and my fears made it seem even larger. Part of me wanted the larger bike, yet the other part opted for something that wouldn't be so intimidating. Should have pushed myself! After 625 miles on the 250 (and after the MSF course) it was time for something that could do faster, longer miles, accompanying my DH to nearby towns for dinner dates. I sat on every bike in town and chose a Yamaha V Star 1100 Classic as my ride for (hopefully) years to come. I've only had her 2.5 weeks and have put over 800 miles on her. Is it possible to rent or borrow a 250 for a week or two and then buy the larger bike if you deem it worthwhile? Through the forums and encounters with many riders it appears that changing bikes, sometimes upgrading to a more powerful model or just choosing a different style of ride is a right of passage for most riders. I had no idea that I would outgrow the 250 in a month, but to each her own. My little 2- wheeled gal sits lonely in the garage waiting for the day when my 14 year old daughter (2" taller than me) will sit with delight in the saddle and begin her motorcycle journey through life. Thank you so much Mama for your great encouragement to new riders and your ceaseless investigation into our riding queries. – Pat Dear
Pat, As not all women move to a bigger bike as quickly as you did (big yahoos here!), and others are like you, just want to start out slowly, you might find a market for your bike with one of the women's riding organizations! There may be a new rider looking for a used 250cc to get HER feet wet. Or, keep it until your daughter is ready! Have a great summer on your VStar 1100 and send a picture with you her sometime! You'll get your 15 minutes of fame on the home page and permanently in the photo gallery! – Mama Hey
VTwin Mama, But being the curious cat I tend to be, I started asking around to more experienced riders and doing internet research. It was basically explained to me that with any bike that is lower than 1000 cc I would outgrow it within a few weeks to a month and not be happy with the smaller bike. So I started looking at the bigger boys in particular the VTX1300c and the Shadow Sabre 1100. As far as my inexperience is concerned is there a suggestion you could give me on the choice between the two? I think both bikes are very pretty, but I also know looks don't make the ride so... Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you soon. – Seth Dear
Seth, Which are you?! Of course you don’t know, and neither do
I! It’s been suggested that it is worthwhile to rent a mid-range bike
(500-750cc) bike for a few days and see how it goes. Any make/model will
do – you’re trying to figure out how you feel about the power
(although you will grab some foot/hand/seat positioning clues along the
way). Thursday, June 17 For Seth who is contemplating several bikes: I would like to offer a humble opinion here on the VTX and the Sabre being considered for Seth's first bike. I had not ridden in 20 years, so I basically considered myself a newbie. After taking the MSF course, I bought a Suzuki Savage 650 last March (03). I did outride the bike by the end of the summer BUT the time spent on the smaller bike, just practicing and riding the back roads was instrumental in my move up to a VTX 1300C. I tried the Sabre but it felt a little top heavy for me and too tall. I am 48 yrs old, 5' 3 and heavier than I want to be, but found the VTX to be a good fit and well balanced. The VTX is a heavy bike (650lbs) and even with the year of riding that I put in, it took me about 600 miles before I felt like I could really handle it in just about all situations. Soooo....with that said! Do consider a smaller bike to begin with just to get your riding skills up a bit before you hop on one of those "big boys". I don't think you could go wrong with a Honda 750 Aero to start with. Just my opinion. By the way, I LOVE my VTX and wouldn't trade it for anything! – Lou (note from Mama: there's nothing like first-hand experience to solidify the thinking process. Seth did write in and noted that my advice was indeed worthy and he would be renting a smaller bike to try it before making any decisions. Wise VTwin Mama brother!) Dear
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Lucy, On the other hand, if you have a strong support network of friends and family, then get the 800, but have someone ride it to an empty parking lot with little obstructions, and begin practicing your drills just like you did in class. Then, as time and confidence build, you can work your way to rides in the neighborhood, etc. The fact is that I started out on a Kawi 750 and never looked back, but I didn't sweat the dings that happened in the first year either. I just chalked it up to learning! Now, the third bike, my beloved '76 HD Shovelhead, with it's custom chrome and one-of-a-kind paint job (you should see the snakes and skulls!), tended to give me a heart attack in the beginning, despite the fact that I'd been riding for 15 years at that point. It's all relative!– Mama Tuesday, June 22 Dear
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Ernest, Key ingredients to consider: first, have your wife take a look at the bike and sit on it and see if she's got a good feeling about it. If that seems ok, then get that bike to an empty lot someplace with few obstacles and begin practice sessions. If you're going to be the teacher, then it's imperative that you listen very closely to what she is trying to tell you during practice and do not push too hard (let her guide the pace of the learning sessions). You need to make sure she has control of the overall situation so that frustration does not set in. Go for it! – Mama Wednesday, June 23 Dear
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Christy, Saturday, June 26 For Lucy who may want to start out on a Marauder 800: I am the proud owner and rider of a Marauder 800. I absolutely adore my bike and can't ride it enough. However, I did start out on a Savage for one season and am very glad I did. The Marauder is a heavier bike and has a LOT of low end torque. If I hadn't logged my 5,000 miles on my Savage for experience, I know I would have been really intimidated by the Marauder. However, we all have different skills and experiences. If Lucy has more questions she is welcome to get in touch with me. – Maureen (note from Mama: good info here for Lucy to ponder and I'll pass on any message if she wants to contact you!) Saturday, June 26 Dear
VTwin Mama, At the time my husband had an '01 Roadie Silverado 1600 (stock). We went out on the road and started "playing" -- you know, driving next to each other, looking at the bikes and such. (Now kids, don't try this at home.) He said to go ahead and hit it to see if there was a difference ... well, I left him! He said he wasn't ready and to do it agian ... left him again. So, not a guy to take no for an answer, he said let's do that again. Well, I'm really starting to like it by now, so we hammered them again (we were starting out from about 40-45), and I SMOKED him! He had a hard time living that down. He's since solved the "problem" by getting a new Royal Star Venture ... man, does that thing have some power. I owe a lot of the confidence I now have to you and the gals on the website. When I first started riding I was freaked by EVERYthing! But got some incredibly helpful advice from everyone and between that the lots of road time, I'm comfortable now. Oh yeah, still get an adrenaline jolt from stuff, but I think that's what keeps me careful! Thanks for the website and the help. – Barb Dear
Barb, Dear
VTwin Mama, I have been shocked at how uncomfortable right away I have felt on a number of low and middleweight cruisers! The bike that made me swoon, drool, and get teary eyed when we left the store was the Suzuki Intruder, one I hadn't even considered before. The bike felt made for me literally. The other two I found "okay" and "tolerable" were HDs Low Rider, and Kaw Vulcan 750. The Intruder however is the only one I played around with and wanted to get out and RIDE with no nagging insecurities. I also don't want to deal with a chain drive on my first bike and most smaller cruisers have them. I thought I wanted a Savage to begin with, but haven't found one to try, and the reports I've read about them not doing so well on the highway made me reconsider. I have found some good deals on used Intruders, but notice that three of them are older (92 and 98) but with less than 6000 miles on them. This concerns me because it seems like either the owners hated riding, they hated the bike, or the bike had serious issues to the point it couldn't be ridden a lot. With that in mind, is it better to try and get a "newer" used bike that has been ridden more in its shorter lifespan (but still around 6K), or is there a mileage that is sort of a cut-off mark as too much? I know the 92s had a recall for handlebar issues that I would have to take care of since on the 92 the owner never even knew there WAS a recall. And would any Intruder and/or Savage owners like to chime in with opinions on the two bikes? – Haven Dear
Haven, Ok, you've identified a make/model that makes you want to ride. And the Intruder 800 is a darn good bike and well loved by many. It is my experience that many of the baby boomer set bought bikes in their 30s and 40s because it was cool to ride and they wanted in on the game. Then they found out that it rains sometimes. Or they have to attend some function or another every weekend. Or their spouse really didn't want them riding. Or, or, or. So, unless the bike is a lemon, why these older bikes have fewer miles is not important. You are clearly doing your homework and like it. Trust your gut instinct here. As to trying out the Intruder, have you checked with the dealer or independent shop to see if they offer the bike on rental for a day? You would be surprised. I am not aware of a mileage/age of bike cutoff indicator. I consider the main point to be whether routine maintenance has been done (oil, plugs, etc.). And I would consider asking the owner if they would allow the bike to be checked out by a reliable mechanic to ascertain its worthiness. Those that flat out refuse are suspect. Those that will consider it, well . . . forge an agreement. Also, make sure to check something like the Kelley Blue Book for Motorcycles to determine the appropriate price range. As I've never had a new bike (all three bought used), I simply made sure the bike was running and either took it out myself or had the owner take me out as passenger. You'll die laughing when I tell you that my current bike snapped its clutch cable attachment rod within two miles of me riding it home after buying it (duct tape to the rescue)! Then, I did a full maintenance review and even brought it to the dealer for some items I wanted addressed that I couldn't handle myself. I don't recall that we've had much input on the Savage, but am hoping that readers will chime in. Hope some of my info helps -- good luck! – Mama Wednesday, June 30 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Stephanie, Monday, July 5 Dear
VTwin Mama, Now I got kind of bored to sit behind him all the time and decide to buy motorcycle for myself. I had never ride any bike before, so I am complete beginner. But I love rides with our friends and hope I will learn well and fast to drive by myself. So I start look for good bike to start on and everywhere we have been looking for motorcycle they told me it is a bad decision buy small bike as Honda Rebel 250 or Yamaha Virago 250 etc, because I will want to certainly change it for stronger bike in one or two months riding it. Everybody tells me buy bike like 600 or 650 - it is good for beginners and it can be kept for even couple of years then. I like 2004 Yamaha V-star 650 - and I think about buying this one. What do you think about this bike ,what would you recommend, anything what could help me to start drive bike. Excuse my English - I hope I am gonna be better in driving the bike then in English language writing.:-)))). Thank you sooooo much. – Sona Vavrouskova Dear
Sona, It is true that many new riders quickly find that a 250cc bike is not powerful enough after a few months, but other women add that they spent 6 months to one year riding this type of bike before choosing their dream bike. You would most definitely benefit from taking a riding course before buying any bike. Check in your phone book or with the local community college or go to the Motorcycle Safety Foundation site for information. A two day course on the weekend on a 250cc bike will help you figure out what your natural skill level is, and from that you can determine if you would prefer a smaller bike for awhile, or are ready to move onto a bigger bike right away. No matter what you do decide, practice is the key to good riding, and practice in an empty parking lot is the best -- there are very few obstacles and no traffic to worry you while you learn the basic skills. Good luck and let us know how you are doing! – Mama Monday, July 5 Dear
VTwin Mama, My husband started riding last year on a Heritage Softail and loves it. We had decided that I would get a Lowrider for my first bike. I am terrified!!! I was nervous on some corners on the Nighthawk 250... how can I possibly handle the weight of a 600+ pound bike? I am thinking about getting a Buell Blast or a Sportster instead to get going. I would like to get something in the Harley family and these are the two most reasonable options. What are your thoughts? – Karen Dear
Karen, I can appreciate that you would love to join your husband with a cool Harley, and it may be mutual excitement between the two of you to both have Harleys. However, looking cool is different than having the skills to handle a bigger bike that is terrifying you right off the bat. You might find that getting a little used 250cc bike for the rest of this riding season would be a better approach. Get some time under your belt, learn to appreciate the bike and it's handling characteristics before making such a big decision. You'll learn so much about yourself and what you like/don't like on bikes you'll be amazed! Now, if you've already ordered the Lowrider (because I am so tardy in posting messages), then not to panic. The key will be to have hubby motor that bike over to an empty parking lot so that you can begin practicing your basic skill sets on the new beastie, just like you did in your class! Slow and easy does it -- and consider making a strap on cover for all painted areas in case it goes down so you don't add guilt about a banged up paint job to boot. We've not had positive input on the Blast (mechanically not superior) and the Sportys tend to be top heavy, although the newer 2004 models are reported to have a lower center of gravity. Still, this is not where I would start. – Mama Tuesday, July 6 For Haven who might want to start out on an Intruder 800: I ride a 1995 Intruder 800, bought an experienced bike. I started out on a Rebel 250 (also an experienced bike) and I loved it. My Intruder is a black beauty and just the right weight and height for me (I am in-seamed challenged). It has more power than a few of my friends' bigger bikes. It handles great, a little wider turn due to the angle of the folk. The clutch does not need the "jaws of life" to use. The friction zone is not as large as the 1200 Sportster (that is sitting in my drive way). I ride my Intruder every chance I get. So, if you have any questions about the Intruder, ride it once and you will riding it for a long, long time. Oh, one more thing Haven, the bike sounds great too :} Ride Safe. – Jacqué (note from Mama: every time I see this bike out on the road, I think, "what a great looking and handling bike." Thanks for sharing your first-hand experience!) Tuesday, July 20 Dear
VTwin Mama, We looked at two bikes this past weekend, the new 2004 Honda 750 Aero and the new 2004 Harley 883 Sportster Custom. She liked them both and is having a difficult time deciding what to look at next. Any information, suggestions, and/or recommendations would be welcome. Originally we had three items that her bike should have, shaft or belt drive, EFI and tubeless wheels. Neither of the two bikes mentioned above have all these items. I found this website thanks to Marina at www.wildguzzi.com. Marina is one of the few and the proud women Moto Guzzi riders. Thank you very much Marina. Thank You V-Twin Mama, – Mark Dear
Mark, If you haven't looked at the Suzuki Intruder 800, this might be a bike for your consideration, as well as the Yamaha VStar series, a much loved bike by many women riders (and available in different cc ranges). I really like the State 8 site for checking on motorcycle specifications, as they have a side-by-side comparison link that let's you look at two models next to each other (Yami, Kawi and Suzuki). Good luck in the continuing hunt! – Mama Wednesday, July 21 Dear
VTwin Mama, My new baby is a 600 VLX and came equipped with saddle bags, extended mirrors, sissy bar, and the best sounding pipes I've ever heard. I'm so excited I'm not sure I will sleep tonight. I love your website and am learning a great deal from it. Thanks a bunch! – Carolyn Dear
Carolyn, Here’s my new electronic biker wave
(left hand of course) to salute your continuing journey (ok, ok, it’s
not a Rembrandt, but you get the “picture,” don’t you?!?!?!?!! O – Mama Wednesday, July 21 Dear
VTwin Mama, Two years ago I got the fever again and Bought another 250 (Suzuki). It wasn't long before my husband had to have one too and came home from work one day with a Virago 1100. He pressured me for a long time to move up to a bigger bike, but I (at 4 feet 11 inches) had become comfortable with the 250. My husband is a private pilot and one of his pilot buddies came over one day with an offer I couldn't refuse, so he went home with my beautiful GZ 250. The very same day, we drove about 60 miles and came home with a used VLX 600 Shadow. I was sick. It was dirty, sported some cheap saddle bags, no windshield and was too tall for me to sit on flat footed. He took the bike to the basement where I didn't see it for about 3 weeks. Then, one day he rolled it out and asked me to sit on it. He had installed a lowering kit, front and rear, new bolt on saddle bags and a windshield. He had cleaned it up and it looked GOOD. Still not quite flat footed, I was able to raise it off the kickstand, so I took it around the block for a test drive. Hmmm, this is nice, I thought, so I asked him to roll out the Virago. For once I kept up through the gears. Within a couple of weeks, I had a nice new Travelcade saddle and some pipes and I suddenly felt ten feet tall. WOW! It sounds and looks great. And I look great on it. Admittedly, I have dropped it a few times. I haven't yet mastered tight maneuvers. My husband just replaces the pipes and we go at it again. To make a long story short, 4 of my husband's pilot buddies were inspired enough by the sight of a new V-twin Mama in town, that they have now bought bikes and join us on regular rides . Furthermore, we are currently teaching the 53 year old wife of one of the pilots to ride her new VT600. She is coming along nicely and she loves it. Thanks for the inspiration and for the informational web site. You'll never know how useful all the info has been to my husband while he tinkers with my bike. – Brenda from the heart of Georgia Dear
Brenda, Your story is just too fun! I read in dismay the loss of your beloved bike and the rat thing that took its place. What shock! What horror! What a B movie! There’s nothing like a new Sister in town to inspire others and it sounds like you’ve got a good head on your shoulders. Kudos to you for taking a leap of faith on trying something a little bit more powerful and giving it a chance. Send a group picture sometime, won’t you?! There’s nothing like 15 minutes of online fame (or is that exposure?!) to really cap off this mini adventure of yours! – Mama Thursday, July 22 Dear
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VTwin Mama, I lived in NY so I didn't get a lot of riding time in when I had my bike but I got really good with it I now live in Florida and in the process of buying a 1998 Virago 1100. Someone in this group somewhere said they thought that the virago was top heavy. Anyone else out there ride a Virago 1100? A number of years ago I sat on one and feel in love. It seemed to be balanced very well. I was able to rock it between my legs with my hands very loosely on the handle bars. When I sat on the 1998 it did feel like it might be a bit top heavy. I have not rode it yet, actually I am so out of practice that I surprised myself. I have already told my husband that I intend to take classes because this bike is so much bigger than any other that I have rode. Can anyone give me some insight on the Virago 1100? – Bonnie Dear
Bonnie, Wednesday, July 28 Dear
VTwin Mama, Now I am faced with the huge choice of bikes. I was very interested in a Ninja 250 (thanks for the web page you sent), but after taking the class I am thinking more about a Rebel. Since it's impossible to get a test ride out of a dealer, I was wondering if you had any feedback on the handle/feel differences between a sport bike vs. a more classic street bike? I know from the web sites of each dealer that there is about a 4 inch difference in the seat height (since I'm 4'11 that matters), and a small difference in power. It seems possible that I am opening a big can of worms with this question, but since I could go for either bike I was looking for more of a breakdown of the +/-'s from someone with far more experience. Thank you again, – Andrea Dear
Andrea, Wednesday, July 28 Dear
VTwin Mama, I bought a Ninja 250. It’s GREAT! If
I had gotten anything bigger I would have dropped it by now. I have come
close, but thanks to the low weight (around 300lbs) and my ability to
touch the ground…I was able to catch myself and keep the Bike up. I know
I will out grow it over the next year… but I am so happy I started with
a smaller bike and I am able to learn the fundamentals and not be
intimidated by the size of my bike (on top of all the other intimidating
stuff i.e. traffic). I hear people saying I want something I can grow
into. Well the money I spent on a Bike I could grow out of is well worth
it. I am not scared of my
Bike or the power, so it is easier for me to focus on the …clutch,
shift, accelerate…part of the deal…:o)..ugggg
Thanks again, and I hope all is well
in your area soon! Dear
Rookie Rider, Meanwhile, the fire has cleared our area and we’re no longer breathing smoke, so it’s all good. But what a scary time – thanks for asking! – Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, Upon leaving, we stopped by where they were parked to see their rides: A Vulcan (at least a 750 or larger...can't quite remember) and a Shadow, 600cc. Do you know what they were implying? Were they commenting on a specific sound they feel the Suzuki makes? Do Suzuki's sound noticeably different from any other bike? Or were they talkin' power? Are they just bike snobs? Ha ha....Love your site, Mama. – Itchin' to get out there, but waitin' on my friend who needs a ride too! Dear
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Mitch, Given that the Kawi/Yami/Honda bikes are usually offered by the same dealer, you might really want to shop dealers within a 100 mile radius to see who is going to be best on price, offer discounts on accessories/modifications at the time of sale, whose service department appears to be motivated to assist their customer base, etc. Is a sale coming up on one or the other models? Are additional riding lessons included? What accessories/modifications might be made as part of the deal? Also, hop onto this site for some road test information – it might be helpful to read about the actual performance characteristics on the road! Then, be prepared to purchase maintenance manuals so that you can start taking care of these beasties the right way, right away! Check my Reading Sources page for Internet sites that offer these! – Mama Thursday, August 5 For Itchin' who got a strange reaction when admiring a Savage 650: I just had to chime in again about the Suzuki Savage 650 . I rode this bike for years, and thought it was the perfect starter bike. It has a lot of power and you sit very low to the ground. I had gone to buy a Honda Shadow, but saw the Savage. It was CHEAP, had a belt drive and I thought it looked cooler. Sounding like a toaster? I never heard that. It didn’t sound great when I first bought it, in fact it had no sound at all! I put on a slash cut straight pipe and re-jetting the carb, which cost less than $100, and it sounds goooood now. If you don’t have the carburetor jetted right, it does backfire like the forth of July. That was the only problem I ever had with it, and it was an easy fix. I am thinking of turning into a dirt drag bike, because I know it could kick some butt! I am glad you escaped the fire Mama, – DIJ (note from Mama: thanks for the input again with details! Readers, Mama's house was a mile away from a major wild fire that was really horrible, but all is well and I'm just now getting back to a routine!) Just wanted to share a couple of thoughts on the Savage 650 you and your friend were looking at for a starter bike. This is the bike we bought, yes 2 identical bikes (black) as starter bikes in 2003. In my humble opinion, I would say it was a great choice. They are a very quiet bike, as Mama said "that can be remedied with some new pipes, they do have a tendency to backfire but that is normal with a Savage. They are a big single cylinder bike and the decompression from that cylinder comes out as a backfire. You should only notice the backfire on deceleration. Now, for the part about turning up their noses at the Savage, I would bet money they have never even ridden one. This is one of the most fun bikes I have ever ridden. They are easy to handle, lightweight and low to the ground so you never feel as though you are out of control. This bike is also pretty quick for a 650. I wouldn't recommend a lot of freeway driving but if you are thinking about it in terms of a starter bike for the back roads, just toolin' around town or commuting, then I say go for it. Besides as the saying goes....It's not WHAT you ride, it's THAT you ride, that counts. Just an FYI, I test rode a 2002 Honda A.C.E. 750, which is a twin cylinder, and opted to stay with the Savage 650 because I didn't see any big difference in power or sound for that matter! Loud pipes are a preference, but they can help alert drivers to your presence. Hope this helps some, if you have any other questions about the Savage I would be glad to answer them if I can. Good luck in your search and ride safe!! – Lou : ) (note from Mama: you're a peach for sharing detailed thoughts -- it's greatly appreciated!) Saturday, August 7 From Mitch who is deciding between a VStar and Honda Aero: If I were to ride both the Yamaha VStar and the Honda Aero, would I notice the additional 100ccs of power in the Honda? Thanks. – Mitch (note from Mama: a soon to be new rider like yourself may not find it immediately apparent, but over time you would most likely find that the extra ccs would make your ride a bit more comfortable at higher speeds. You would be "topping out" on the power at a higher speed (so at cruising speed, you would be working the engine less on the higher power bike and would have less feeling that you're at the end of the power range of the bike, and the engine sound would be less "strained.") You noted that your wife and you were looking to do shorter rides together and not interested in highway cruising, so this may not be a huge consideration, but there it is!) Saturday, August 7 For Rose who is noodling out how to do better in curves: I to had a bit of trouble in cornering. I was always worried about going off the road. I never actually read about pushing out on the hand grip, I felt it one day when I was turning (wish I had thought of looking it up thou = ) Also when going into a turn or corner, don't look where you don't want to go, rather look to where you want the front tire of your bike to go. The bike tends to go where you are concentrating on. I am fairly new to riding myself. My dad taught me how to ride a 2002 Honda Rebel, he took me to a empty parking lot and I learned how to turn corners and using the parking spot line painted on the ground I learned how to make sharper turns, although I never used cans or balls which I never thought of! Thou now I am a new proud owner of a 2001 Honda Shadow, it's back to the parking lot for me !! For Andrea who is looking at bikes: I am 5'5 , and my sister learned on the same bike; she is about 5'3 and a very light weight. Now I am the bigger of us 2 and I had an easier time handling the bike, but she did great as well. The bike was on the small side for my overall frame, but it is a very very good bike. It got up to about 75 mph , anything over that it tended to feel a little bit wooblie. It corners great, handles real well. I loved it . Had it not been that I was a bit large for the bike I would of kept it. I got bout 110 miles to a tank before having to switch over to reserve. The cons, it is only a 250 cc engine, so doesn't have a ton of get up and go. I was left behind when riding with a friend he has a 750 cc bike. But other than that I can't think of anything really wrong with this bike. They sell tons of stuff you can put on a Rebel: saddle bags, wind screen, etc. Good luck in your choice on a bike !! – Tara (note from Mama: looking to where you WANT to go is an important concept in handling curves -- thank you for the reminder! I'm so proud of you on your adventure in riding and appreciate all the other input you've taken the time to share!) Saturday, August 7 More for Itchin' who got a strange reaction when admiring a Savage 650: I have always advocated (for myself and others) that the choice of motorcycle is individual and personal. It should be based on the balance of the bike and the frame of your body and your riding style. Brand is important when considering performance, maintenance, style, cost. But given the after-market pipes, etc, what comes out of the exhaust can be altered. Yes, BMW's can sound like a Singer sewing machine and some Suzuki's whine. But if the motorcycle fits YOU, that's what's important. I still go to the motorcycle shows and do demo rides on different brands. I have ridden 8 different brands over the years and have always owned Hondas -- because they fit my body, my style of riding and the balance of the bike means I don't have to muscle it. I guess riding for 43 years adds a little bit of perspective to the opinion. – Linda and her Magna in Texas (note from Mama: well said!) Dear
VTwin Mama, One good story for you. My friend is a young mother of a 7 and 5 year old and one year old twin girls. Their father died on the 5 year old's birthday. She just bought herself a Rebel and took the course. We ride together now and it's great therapy for her. Keep Lora in your prayers. Thanks for the website! – Muffin Dear
Muffin, Riding is indeed very therapeutic to many. Thank you for telling us a bit of Lora's story . . . there is a lot of inherent sadness in it, but glad to hear that you're sharing something with her that has real meaning in our lives. – Mama Monday, August 9 For Andrea who is looking at SV650s: When I was shopping for the SV650 two dealers said it is an easy matter to lower the bike both front and back. One even said he likes the way the bike handles better after he did the forks only on his own SV650. I'm riding mine stock right now and have been completely frustrated in my attempts to get a lower and springier seat. Corbin is not ready to make one for the 2004 (which is not identical to the 2003) and that was an unexpected hassle as they had been very accommodating before. They sent me a 2003 and of course it didn't fit. Then they just didn't respond to any attempts to contact them... email, letter, phone call... for two months until I requested a manager. Meanwhile Suzuki makes a gel seat that lowers the driver. It would be quite comfy (I sat on one made for the Hayabusa) but my dealer says Suzuki is being very mysterious about accessories for the 2004. They aren't ready yet either, it would seem. The bike is so light and easy to handle I'm doing fine for now with the 31 1/2 seat height (or at least, I was three weeks ago when I was last able to ride...SOB). I am 5'5" and I expect Andrea might find that seat height a bit daunting. I love the bike and recommend she let the dealer lower it for her. She should still have plenty of clearance for most riding situations. Regards, – Sarah (note from Mama: thank you for sharing this level of detail on your experiences -- it's always helpful to have this first hand knowledge response!) Tuesday, August 10 Dear
VTwin Mama, Thank you for having this site. I think it is great. I know I will be back probably to ask more questions, but who knows, maybe I will be able to answer one. Thanks. – Bonnie Dear
Bonnie, Wednesday, August 11 Hello
all . . . Dear
Terri, I'm embarrassed to admit that I had to do a search on the Internet as we've not had any input that I can remember on the Katana . . . but found this page with some ratings that might interest you. There appears to be a Katana discussion board somewhere buried on the site. Given that it's a more "sporty" bike, you might find that the Speedy Bike Girls site will be able to offer a lot more opinions and assistance in reviewing this. The Buell Blast is not highly recommended by readers so far at this site. Too beginner, too maintenance icky, just too, too! As to working out for better handling of a bike . . . very VTwin Mama sister smart! Especially stomach stuff as it really makes a difference to your back, which can really take the brunt of a longer ride. – Mama Wednesday, August 11 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Jody, Friday, August 13 For Ichin' who saw a Savage 650 she liked: I have a Savage and absolutely love it. I have had it about 5 months and have about 3500 miles on it. I don't think you can go wrong with a Savage for your first bike. It is easy to handle and turns so easily. I have had it on the interstate without any problems. 80's and 90's may be too much for it but otherwise it is a fun bike to ride. – Gin B. (note from Mama: thanks for sharing!) Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Sparkle, Bikes are only too big or too small
relative to the person who is making the judgment. Hubby dearest is
entitled to his opinion and what you might glean from it is that you
should definitely sit down and discuss this decision with him in detail.
What specifically is he worried about (let him know that now is NOT the
time for generalizations)? As with any new bike, they each have
different handling characteristics which need to be learned. How about
taking the new bike to an empty parking lot for some obstacle-free
practice so that stops, starts, turns, etc. can be tried under the
watchful eye of hubby who will be there to help should an oopsie occur?! Take another step by talking over how
you will pick up the bike should you be cruising by yourself and something
occurs. Check my Pick Up Bike
page for sites that show you the proper way step by step. It’s a
great confidence booster and hubbies in general like knowing that their
great gals have a better shot at taking care of business if and when
needed (and maybe even help someone else!). You might also consider taking an
advanced riding safety course with MSF
where you’ll be on your own bike and learn some really neat things (or
brush up your already awesome skills!). Hubby might be relieved when he
learns that you are taking his concerns seriously. Saturday, August 14 For Annie B. and her continuing adventure in riding: Annie B is my new hero. I had the "rock" of a hubby, who was almost too enthusiastic, and I had nowhere near the perseverance and drive and determination that she has. She is an amazing lady from whom we can all take a lesson! And one more note: whether riding is feminine or not is immaterial. Men and women alike do things that are feminine and masculine, respectively. So what. We're all unique. What struck me though, was that things like quilting and making theatrical costumes (as mentioned by the coworker) take acquired knowledge, patience and attention to detail, as does safely operating a motorcycle. Sounds like a perfect "fit" to me. For Sparkle who wants the Valkyrie, but is it too big?: Size doesn't always matter, and can be so deceiving. My MSF instructors both rode Valkyries, and both taught the advanced class where people bring their big cruisers. They were a husband and wife team and she was small...5'2" or less because I didn't have to look up at her...and not terribly muscular or anything, just average. But she knew how to ride. She eventually moved on to something else but that was only because of a physical problem that required a different seating position for longer rides. But she just adored that Valkyrie. And missed it once it was gone. Lastly, a personal update: My bike (the Virago) had 900 miles on it when I bought it and it just turned 3000 miles. Over 2000 of those were mine! Somebody pinch me, I'm having way too much fun not to be dreaming. Ride safe, ladies! – Linda C. (note from Mama: thanks for the messages of support to both Annie B. and Sparkle and for sharing your own personal update . . . I remember when you first starting writing in and you've been such a great sister at this site and I am soooo proud of all your accomplishments! Way to go! On an added note for Sparkle . . . let's not forget that there is the Ride Like a Pro for the Ladies video out now that shows a woman rider on a BIG HONKING bike and how to handle the slow stuff, etc. It's so highly recommended and I wanted to mention it yet again.) Tuesday, August 17 Dear
VTwin Mama, I am 5' 6". The bike stock from the dealer fits me pretty well, and I can rest my foot flat at stops. I added a Corbin seat, which lowered the seat height about an inch and also pushed the driver's seating position forward somewhat. I use a National Cycle Dakota 13" windscreen - my husband complains about how short it is (he is 6' 2"!) but I can see easily over the top. Stock price is about $6,000 new, but there are lots of these bikes around, as they have been made since the eighties with little in the way of design changes. Regards, – Cindy Carter Dear
Cindy, Sunday, August 22 For Linda C. who offered support to Sparkle about the Valkyrie: Between you and Mama, the decision has been made to get a Valkyrie!! I knew I could count on you all for unbiased opinions. What an awesome group of women we are!!! After reading Mama's advice I went to a neighbor who owns a Valkyrie Interstate, just wanted to see if I could lift the darn thing. Came away yelling HELL YEAH! Gotta get me one! Thanks to you both...now I just have to find one in my local area...oh well, something else to think about. Thanks again Ladies!! For Annie B. and her riding adventure: Please, please ride your own ride! I've been in that awful position of trying to please or impress or whatever it is (the husband), and one day decided I'd no longer try to keep up.....I'll see ya when I get there attitude. It didn't take long till I could keep up....curves and all....and I'm still in one piece. Please don't let your man intimidate (I don't think they mean to) but it happens. Go your own speed, it all comes in time. Guaranteed! You come first! RIDE YOUR OWN RIDE.........This is one of the first things I remember reading on this site, 3 yrs ago! – Sparkle (note from Mama: it is indeed a message said over and over on this site, and always well worth repeating.) Sunday, August 22 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
New Jersey Mama, A training course is always a great place to start. You will have an easier time of it if you rode a bicycle all your years as a child and know how to drive a stick-shift car. The first is about natural balance and the second means you are used to coordinating three separate actions at one time. Do not be surprised or teary-eyed if you do not pass the first time. It happens. Quite a lot. Remember that the course is there to help you learn, but learning doesn’t always translate to passing. Take it again. It’s worth it. Remember, you are learning! Of course, you may pass the first time, and then it’s on to much bigger and scarier things. With license in hand, you become a menace to us all! This is said with great love and support of your new adventure. But please, take whatever bike you have purchased or are borrowing and go to an empty parking lot and practice tons more. Then practice on the back roads and neighborhood streets. If you do need to go on main roads, do so when the rest of us are still in bed and traffic is practically non-existence. If ever you wanted to know how quickly a rider can get into trouble, just imagine accidentally hitting the throttle and launching your beastie bike missile at something unforgiving. 0-60 in 4 seconds takes on a whole new meaning. It sounds like with your level of physical fitness, you should be able to handle any bike you set your mind on. Long trips can be done on any bike made . . . just ask a Honda Rebel 250cc bike lover. Of course the Goldwing is probably more comfortable overall! Keeping up with experienced riders is largely a matter of skill. This takes time. Your height poses a bit more of a challenge, especially if you think that being flat-footed at stops is an important consideration. Check my Motorcycles for Short Riders page for some hints. I think you would do well to complete your course first. This will give you the opportunity to ride your first bike. Take the time to note your arm and leg position, how your back, neck and shoulders feel. Too far of a reach? Too scrunched up? To tiring on your arms? Really, really look and feel it out! Then shop with these things in mind. Take a notepad to write down details because it will be hard to sort out later otherwise. Many riders note that they preferred a smaller bike in the first year to help them get their feet wet on something that didn’t overwhelm them. Trust your gut on this. I myself started out on a 750cc bike and don’t regret it. Then again, it was used, and I didn’t worry about banging it up too much. Be realistic. Take things one step at a time. Have fun shopping. We look forward to hearing how your course went! – MamaWednesday, August 25 For Jewel who is considering the VStar 1100: I'm 5'3" and I rode a Honda Goldwing for 14 years. I was always nervous, touching tip toe. I just wasn't comfortable. I always wanted a Harley cause I thought they were for "short" people, just seemed like they were the only thing I saw that was lower to the ground. Last year my hubby finally said I could get a Harley. I started looking and setting on different ones and just couldn't find that one that felt just right. Then I saw a VStar Classic 1100, sat on it and it was love at first sight. Sounds corny but it just felt "right". Spent $49 from PCS for a lowering kit, put a Mustang seat on it (stock seat will kill ya). We rode 150 miles one way this weekend without stopping and I was fine. I can't say enough good about the VStar 1100. It just FITS. Everything feels right & relaxed. I also added 4" pullback risers to mine. Hubby got a 2003 Harley Heritage, still thinks I need one to match his, I finally rode his last weekend and he rode my VStar. When I got off I told him it was nice but I'll keep my VStar (I can add a lot of chrome & still not spend what he did). Mmy VStar was a lot nicer & more comfortable ride. He finally agreed that mine was a nicer ride (he'd never give up the Harley though). Also, I can sit on the VStar & touch flat footed with my knees bent, but it has the PCS lowering kit installed, but that only took about an hour to install. They also do a seat that really lowers you too, but I was scared it would be too hard. – Diane (note from Mama: well, that's it. I'm going out and getting this bike too! Thanks for sharing this first-hand account, and I'm adding it to my Motorcycles for Short Riders list as well with the noted modifications!) |
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