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The Tiltster offers an independent suspension so you can ride around curves like a two-wheel bike!

A resource article on trikes and disabled riders from Kevin in Australia for Bikernet.com

 

2007

Tuesday, January 9

Dear VTwin Mama,
I am a lady handicapped rider and I am looking for a used Voyager Conversion Kit to fit my 2006 Sportster 883. Can anyone help me? – Tammy

Dear Tammy,
These can be difficult to locate and even in a Google search, eBay listings didn't pop up. Keep in mind that when you find one that is in the same class (A, B, C or D and each class is used for a range of motorcycles) you still may need some new underbelly parts as those are specific to the exact make/model of bike.

Let's see if any readers know of something available. I don't know of a specific "gathering place" on the Internet for used sales. You may wish to contact the most local distributors of MTC Voyager in your area to put the word out. – Mama

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Thursday, January 11

For Tammy who is looking for a used trike conversion kit for her Sporty 883:

Tammy may want to contact Brothers of the Third Wheel. It is a trike club (obviously). Someone may be able to help her there. –  v45magna (Canadian Chicks Rule) (note from Mama: I've had a few comments about the BTW . . . in that they mocked newer riders' questions . . . however, this might have related to the main chat room . . . I would recommend heading to the Links page to find the local chapters and make contact. That brings up another Internet site that may be able to assist . . . Trike Riders International . . . comments have been that they are supportive and I've had personal email contact and they seemed to have the same share/care considerations that the VTM site does.)

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Monday, January 15

For Tammy who is looking for a used Voyager conversion kit for her Sporty 883:

Tammy, I have a trike kit for sale. I sold my bike but took the kit off. You would need a new belly pan because  the kit was on a Yamaha.  Voyager Trike Kit Class A, which is the short one for small bikes. – Joann (note from Mama: I'll make sure Tammy sees your message!)

Tammy, have you tried Roadsmith at http://trikeshop.com? I have ordered a Honda VTX with this kit and it seems to be the best I have seen. From HD to metric, they seem to cover them all, and in a very good way. Storage, style, and easy ride in one package..

Hope you enjoy, –  Scooter (note from Mama: thanks for sharing a possible source!)

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Monday, January 22

Dear VTwin Mama,
Hi , I'm after a trike that is basic so that I can put my own mark on it but not sure were to start as it has to be automatic. Any ideas? Thanks for your help, love the site. – Satinx

Dear Satinx,
Most trikes begin with the basic two-wheel model and then are customized to be a trike. In your case, that will mean first deciding which auto tranny model is of interest to you. If you hop over to my Auto Tranny Motorcycle Models list, you'll see what's currently in production and what's only available on the used market. Some basic information is provided, as well as links to the sites (when applicable). This includes a list of mid- and mega-scooters, which appeal to many.

Triking a motorcycle comes in two basic flavors: either add a conversion kit in which you don't remove the rear wheel (MTC Voyager and Tow-Pac) or have a company remove the rear-end of the bike and put a new back-end on. The first is less expensive and the kit can be removed at any time should you wish to two-wheel ride or sell as separate units. The second will cost more and there are less alternatives in finding companies who are ready to do this (for an auto tranny bike). Still, it's doable in a number of cases, many of which are chronicled on my Trikes pages.

Once you narrow down your choice in motorcycle and have taken a look at the less expensive option, if necessary, I probably can get you in contact with people who have specifically triked a particular model. Just get your basic research started and then write in again.

Of course, it's possible you'll find a used auto tranny trike on the market, and with the main bike model names on hand, this search will be a bit easier. Welcome to the adventure and happy shopping! – Mama

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Monday, March 12

Hi Mama,
I went through our local ABATE class and got my license last year. I bought a small bike last summer and now want to move up to a larger bike and convert it to a trike. I have been researching this all winter. 

However, I am not able to find anyone in my area that does this. I was hoping maybe one of your readers could help. I am in the South Bend, Indiana area and I want Yamaha. Most of the people I ride with have a Harley. I am not interested in one because of the cost and then the $ to convert it into a trike (they laugh about that also), but have assured me I can still ride with them even if it is a trike. I am not doing this because I can not ride, I am just in love with the way the trike looks. – Cheryl

Dear Cheryl,
Never apologize for the bike make/model/set-up that makes your heart go pitter-patter! For every naysayer out there you will hundreds and thousands of riders who share your passion!

If you have called every shop in the South Bend area, then I would expand your search to Chicago and Indianapolis. I know you would prefer to keep it more local, but these bigger cities are likely to have more shops and options for you. Yes, you'll have to noodle getting the bike back to South Bend, but many offer delivery services or can arrange transport through a specialty company. Sure, a few more $$, so save up a bit more before proceeding. Let's see if my readers come up with specifics that will be useful to you!  – Mama

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Tuesday, March 13

For Cheryl who is looking for a Yamaha trike conversion shop near South Bend:

I am about 45 minutes west of Cheryl. There is a joint Yamaha/Harley dealership in North Judson, IN (Probably about 45 min. - 1 hr. south of her) that if she doesn't know about already, she needs to! 

The dealership is Kersting's. I purchased my first Yamaha 650 from them, went back and moved up to my Yamaha 1100 from them.

My husband has his Harley serviced there, and we buy 99% of anything bike related from them. (We were just there Saturday and left them some more money!)

She needs to make the trip IN PERSON and let Chad or Jason in sales know what she wants. These guys are totally top notch and I guarantee if they cannot do what she is looking to have done they can get her going in the right direction with some contact information. They are a Five Star outfit all the way.

P.S. I travel back and forth to South Bend a lot as all of my family is around there - please pass her my e-mail if she is interested - I would love to hook up with a fellow female rider so close to my neighborhood already!

Best of luck to her in her search,  – Two Wheel Girl, aka Mia (note from Mama: thanks for sharing a dealership that has been a mainstay in your adventure! I'll be sure to pass on your "let's email" message as well!)

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Friday, March 16

Dear VTwin Mama,
Hello, I am looking for info on a Voyager conversion. I placed a used one on my bike. and tried the troubleshooting sites. It is soooo hard to turn. Do others find this? Also, does anyone have an install manual to share via snail mail or Email download? Thanks. – Deidra

Dear Deidra,
Motorcycles that are converted do handle different on the front end from their two-wheel counterparts. You actually do steer the front end around a turn or curve. In a test run on a Voyager-converted bike, I found it tough at first but then learned that I can more easily handle things by pushing the opposite side rather than trying to pull on the side of the turn (i.e. if I was going right, instead of the main work being done by pulling in the handlebar with my left arm, I did most of the "work" by pushing the handlebar with my right arm). It does take some getting use to, and for that reason, I'm thinking that most likely, the set-up of your conversion is fine.

However, you can contact MTC Voyager and get a copy of that install manual (per Charlie, the President . . . .I asked him one time about that!). They also have a troubleshooting table on the site and other information you may find useful. – Mama

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Tuesday, March 20

For Deidra who has a Voyager kit on her m/c and is struggling a bit:

Most people who have ridden 2 wheel bikes do!  They are so use to leaning their machine, that when it comes to man-handling a trike conversion, they have a really hard time.  It IS a PUSH, rather than a pull through turns.  When I first got mine done, I was pulling the darn thing, now I PUSH and it is so much easier.

I am 52 and ride a (Voyager) trike conversion on my BMW K1200LT.  There is a reason I went to the trike in 2006.  I had bone marrow transplants and lost some of the use of my left leg after a stroke.  My girlfriend taught my leg something the doctors couldn't - moving my foot to shift!

My marrow transplants failed in 2005, which caused me to have both of my shoulders replaced.  I had the first one done on January 16, 2006 and was on my bike by March 1st.  I had the second one done December 11, 2006 and was on my bike within 4 weeks.

Because of the full shoulder replacements, I had to switch to the PUSH method.  It is so much easier than pulling . . . the only thing I find hard is going through roundabouts.  My area has a lot of them.  The larger roundabouts I usually take in 3rd gear.  The smaller, tighter roundabouts, I have to take in 2nd gear and I also have to shift my weight to keep the rear wheels planted.  (I'm not a very big woman - I only weigh 127 soaking wet.)

I have ridden a smaller trike conversion.  My girlfriend who retrained my drop-foot to shift has an older Honda 550.  Her bike lost a lot of power when the kit was put on it.  Even my girl lost some of her power when the kit was put on it.  I didn't like that, but I would much rather be on a bigger cc.  Personally, I wouldn't convert anything less than 1100cc with a trike kit.  I like the fact that I can get out of the way should the need arise.  That is something my girlfriend can not do on her's.

Since I converted my girl in February 2006, I have ridden over 7,000 miles on my trike conversion!  Starting in April, I will be taking several long trips.  April - North Carolina (Deals Gap - no less!)  June - Texas.  September - Arizona.

Looking forward to the twisties in April!  Remember to PUSH instead of pull! P.S. Florida requires a motorcycle endorsement for ALL trikes. – Huggs (note from Mama: wow, what a life journey you have been as well as a riding adventure . . . thank you for the specific notes on handling a trike conversion!)

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Monday, April 2

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have a new Yamaha 650 Silverado with the MTC Voyager trike kit. Why does it seem so hard to steer it and what do you suggest I do to get power steering fir it? – Mike Quin

Dear Mike,
Trikes need arm strength to steer. The big clue is to do most of the work by pushing the opposite side (i.e. right turn, really push on that left side) vs. trying to pull in the side you are turning to. This will make a difference. After awhile, you actually do get your muscles (including your brain!) tuned to the feel of it all.

I have never heard of power steering for a motorcycle. ATVs yes . . . here is some insight as to what it's doing per a Yamaha Grizzly ATV review: "As the rider turns the handlebars, the electric motor kicks in and assists in the turn.  The harder you turn, the more the EPS assists the rider.  The torque-sensing EPS system senses the twisting force put on the handlebars and wheels, at which point the electric motor jumps in to work its magic."

So, if you look at that page, you'll see the unit that makes all this happen. I'm not sure if the concept could be retrofitted to a trike, but an independent mechanic who is familiar with trikes and ATVs may be able to puzzle out the answer for you. – Mama

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Monday, April 2

Dear VTwin Mama,
I couldn't finish the MSF course. I took it last weekend and fell and bruised myself up pretty bad. I'm scared to ride my 2003 Honda Shadow 750 Ace Deluxe American Classic that my husband bought me for my birthday, so I've ordered the Voyager conversion. It won't be here until this Friday, and then I'll need to learn and ride it. I live in TX and hope I can still get a motorcycle license since I didn't finish the driving part. I made a 96 on the written test. I had already gone to the DPS and passed a written test also that I could ride with others.

Any information would be most appreciated. Thank you, – Jimmie Day, 58-year-old female first time bike owner

Dear Jimmie,
I am glad to hear that you are interested in really learning the ins and outs of motorcycle riding . . . it's equally important for 2 wheel and trike riders alike! I would check the MSF site again . . . some of the course providers do offer a specific trike class . . . you'll need to click into the specific Texas providers . . . most have their own websites and there you will find out what's available. If you contact the people at the Trike Riders International site, they may also be able to assist you in finding qualified instruction. We wish you the very best on your new adventure! – Mama

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Friday, April 6

For Tammy who is looking for a used trike conversion kit for her Sporty 883:

I have just checked out your site and I really enjoy it. I find it very informative. [excellent!]

I am not sure if Tammy is still looking for a used Voyager trike kit but if she is I am selling a kit type A -- it was used on a 2006 650 V-Star Custom -- less than 20 miles on it -- basically it is in brand new condition. Belly bracket may possibly need to be purchased for a Sportster -- I'm not sure if mine would fit any other bike other than the V-Star. Hope you can forward this info on to her or any one else that  might be interested for that matter. Thanks –  Marie (note from Mama: I have passed your message on to Tammy, but am posting this in case anyone else is seeking this item.) SOLD!

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Thursday, April 19

For Marie who noted she is selling her Voyager trike conversion after 20 miles:

We have talked before I still have not found anyone to install a trike conversion for me. I would like to ask Marie why she is selling  after only 20 miles. What did she not like about? I would like to hear the good and bad just in case I can find a dealer that will do it. Thanks, –  Cheryl (note from Mama: I have emailed Marie to get her input. Meanwhile, let's make sure we're clear about conversions . . . Voyager is an add-on unit that leaves the rear wheel of the bike in place. A full conversion removes the rear wheel and replaces it with the traditional trike back-end.)

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Tuesday, April 24

Hi Mama,
Well, I have found 3 bike shops that will do a trike kit conversion. One is a Honda dealer in Valpo, one in Plymouth, and one in MI. Since I want only a VStar I will be dealing with Turn One in Plymouth or Town and Country Sports in MI. Turn One can do the Insta Trike conversion and Town and Country uses the Voyager kit. 

From what I have been reading it sounds like the Insta Trike is a smoother ride and better in corners. Can we see if any readers have opinions on this? Insta Trike wheels are 12 inches and the Voyager are 13 . . .  do you think that will make a difference in handling? I just love your site . . .  it has to be the best one I have found. Great job!!! – Cheryl

Dear Cheryl,
Did you know that the main guys in both conversion companies use to be partners at one time? I bring this up to simply take some of the "mystery" out of things.

I find it next to impossible to offer solid advice on which kit to go with as there are many opinions out there and I have only test rode a Voyager conversion (and honestly, that was just to get a feel for the steering challenge of not being able to lean like a two-wheel motorcycle). Please be aware that there are no official US Dept. of Transportation safety testing requirements/standards for the kits. 

So, your first question to both headquarters is whether they have done tests specifically with the VStar at your cc engine size choice. Then I would be drilling them about their construction methods and what standards they follow (for instance, in welding practices). Then I would ask about how many kits they have sold/installed across the U.S. in total for the VStar . . . usually they can't/won't offer communication with owners, but it never hurts to ask. I really don't have an answer about the wheel size, but perhaps readers will chime in with some sage advice on this.

Then I would be asking each specific dealer how many conversion kits they have installed and for how many years. Since they are the ones doing it, I'd also ask if many "after installment" adjustments had to be made and anything else you think would be relevant.

I'm hoping that these research suggestions are of use to you . . . I don't pooh-pooh other people's opinions, but yours is the one that counts when all the votes are tallied.  – Mama

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Wednesday, April 25

For Cheryl who is considering a Voyager or Insta Trike conversion:

Regarding trike conversions, and before you make the final decision, I found a site you might want to take a look at first. I found it on the I Ride My Own website. In the links section for disabled riders, there is a company listed called Safety Features. It's like the best of what is great about a trike, the stability, and yet you still have the maneuverability of a two wheeler. A great invention for older riders too. 

There are excellent links at I Ride My Own for disabled riders, so check them out and pass them along to folks you may know who think they have no options when it comes to motorcycles.

And one last link for riders who are wheelchair bound, but not bound by the wheelchair (awesome looking machine!): Martin Conquest.

Respectfully yours, – Holly (note from Mama: I have seen those retractable wheels before, but they are offered on a limited number of make/models . . . still, it's a good alternative for some riders! And thanks for another wheelchair riding option, which I'll add to my Ride Technique: Medical and Disability page.)

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Friday, April 27

More for Cheryl who is considering a Voyager or Insta Trike conversion:

Tow-Pac makes 2 trike kits and both are called Insta Trike. One has 8" wheels the other has 12" wheels; costs are $2,799 and $3499 (plus s&h). Call Good Guys Powersports at 401-864-6997 and tell them Bruce Manney said you need to make your bike into a trike. They sell kits for all bikes and they are putting one on my Victory Kingpin next Tuesday. Happy riding, God bless. – Bruce (note from Mama: thanks for sharing the company you are using for the conversion and extra notes about wheel size!)

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Friday, April 27

From Marie, about why she is selling her Voyager trike conversion kit after 20 miles:

The reason is basically I have found it is not meant for me. I am 4'11" and weigh 110 and I liked the idea of never having to hold the bike up but I don't have a lot of upper body strength and I did not like the difference in turning or lean control with the kit on the bike. Since I had never rode an actual trike before I have nothing to compare the kit to. The good thing about the kit is that it can be taken on and off easily. I have spoken to other people who have purchased it and they love it and will never be without one. – Marie (note from Mama: thank you for sharing your notes!)

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Monday, May 7

Dear VTwin Mama,
Hi!  I first wrote you last year September 18, and shared with you that I had purchased a Yamaha Morphous 250cc scooter and was having doubts after having dropped it.  I wrote you again Oct. 24, sharing that after a second drop and sliding across pavement, that I was thinking about giving up trying to ride until I saw the option of trike kits from Tow-Pac for scooters.  You encouraged me to follow my gut feelings and trike it.

I wanted to update you.  With the encouragement of another friend who bought a Suzuki Burgman 400, we signed up in February for the MSC course.  I knew I needed my motorcycle endorsement whether I rode a trike, or the scooter as 2-wheeled bike. So I signed up with this goal -- take the course, overcome my fear, learn a lot and pass, and then get the trike kit.

I had not been on the bike since last October, and at first all that fear and nervousness was overwhelming.  I also dropped it several times, but this time it was different then when I had been out practicing with friends.  I was trying maneuvers without enough speed and couldn't hold up the weight.  Each time I was very aware of what was happening and why, and was able to try to prevent the drop, but unable to due to weight.  I was not scared and or felt like giving up like before.

My instructors were wonderful -- very patient and knowledgeable. I asked so many questions about maneuvers, how to correct mistakes, etc.  They were also very encouraging, and praised me when I did something correctly.

I am very pleased and proud to say that I passed -- and with a very good score!  I was able to do things with that scooter I never thought I would be able to do!  For the first time, I was actually having fun and enjoying myself during different exercises in the course.

I still plan on getting the trike conversion kit, as at present I still want to take balance out of the equation.  The kit  will be installed May 26.  But I learned so much in that course, about riding and about myself. I am greatly looking forward to riding, and thrilled that I don't have that fear as before, but happy anticipation instead!

I'll keep you posted after I have been riding for awhile. Thank you again for all the advice you gave. Sincerely, – RAF

Dear RAF,
Letters that share that a newer rider has not given up, despite early-on challenges, always thrill me to the very core! I know it's not easy getting back on a motorcycle of any kind when the oopsies erode confidence. I'm soooo jazzed for you, not only because you chose a pathway to continue your adventure, but that in the process, you learned something about yourself as well. We look forward to hearing how the conversion works for you and any notes you would like to share! – Mama

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Tuesday, May 15

Hi Mama,
I have been a VTM reader for many years. Your site has been an inspiration to me as I am a fairly new rider. [this is wonderful to hear!]

I am just turning 60 years old and took the MRSC two years ago. I started out on a Honda 250 Rebel and worked my way up to my dream bike - a 2003 Harley Heritage Softail. Well, I haven't had a lot of seat time over the past couple of years and actually haven't ridden for a year now because of a torn rotator cuff and damaged vertebrae in my neck. 

So, my husband and I decided to put a Voyager kit on my bike so I could ride with more confidence. I had heard and read lots of good things about the Voyager kit for riders like me. Well, the bike wobbles and shakes very badly with the kit installed. I haven't even been on it yet, but my husband has ridden it several times and he is VERY unhappy with its performance. 

Can anyone please tell me if they have had any experience with their bike shaking and wobbling after installing a Voyager kit? BTW, my husband has checked the tire pressure and it is correct. Any help or input would be greatly appreciated as I was very excited that this would be the answer to my riding dilemma. Thanks so much for the wonderful work you do for the riding community. I LOVE your site! Blessings, – Linda in Texas

Dear Linda,
I'm guessing you installed the kit yourself otherwise you would be mentioning that you're not happy with a certified dealer. One idea is to locate the nearest dealer (hopefully not to far away) and have them ride the bike and offer ideas. 

Otherwise, if you haven't contacted MTC Voyager with your concerns, I would do so immediately . . . if need be, get to Charlie the owner and get help. There are some troubleshooting guidelines online, but this sounds beyond the norm. A step-by-step review of the installation would be useful.

There has been chatter that trikes have front end problems and need a dampening system to keep that front fork and end more stable. I'm also wondering if an imbalance in your rear wheel isn't showing up (as that wheel isn't removed in a Voyager kit conversion.

Readers with conversion kits in place . . . it's time to chime in if you have any insights! – Mama

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Wednesday, May 23

Dear VTwin Mama,
This is cool - a trike w/the single wheel in the back and two in front! It's the BRP Can-Am Spyder Roadster. – Jem

Dear Jem,
Yes, it is! There is some more information about the Spyder on the WomenRidersNow site such as availability! – Mama

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Tuesday, May 29

Hi VTwin Mama
I wanted to let you know I bought my trike. I picked her up Friday and I am in LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sending a picture of her with my grandson; not a good picture but the best I could do for the moment. 

I have to say when I first started off riding her Friday I was not sure about it; she seemed to pull to the right but a few miles down the road and I got the hang of it. I just love it.

The only thing I would change if I could would be the amount of space between the trike and the bike. Not even huge saddle bags can hide that. I ended up buying a C50 and putting a Tow-Pac Instatrike on her. Seems very solid and rides very smooth. Turn One in Plymouth, Indiana installed the trike kit; I also bought my C50 from them; great place.

Again as always thanks for your site. – Cheryl

Dear Cheryl,
Hooray for you! Don't worry to much about the "look" . . . it's about your confidence on the road and the many miles you pile on in pure joy of your adventure! Joy, joy, joy! – Mama

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Thursday, May 31

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have only been riding for a year and I was so happy to find a forum for us focused female riders. I currently have a 2006 Honda Shadow Aero 750. I am looking for a trike kit, just like everyone else. I, however, am looking for a different kit. I would like to have one that is permanent. I don't want the removable Voyager kit. I would love to have one similar to what you find on the Goldwing. I would also like to put a reverse gear on it, but one step at a time. If anyone is out there, HELP!!!!! – Rian

Dear Rian,
What a great name you have, meaning Little King in the Old English language!

Well, I'm not sure where you are located, but in doing some research, I can see that there are companies that have made the conversion you are looking for. Here is a 2007 Honda Shadow from R&R Trikes in GA.

Some people will ship their bikes to get the job done . . . others will call a place like R&R and ask if that's a standard kit that can be purchased and if it will work with their specific year/make/model. Give them a call! – Mama

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Friday, June 1

For Rian who wants to trike up a Honda Shadow 750:

One company that does "permanent" trike conversion is Motor Trike.  If you go to their website, there is a link to finding a dealer near you (top right hand corner of the site).  I live very rural, but was surprised to find a dealer less than 50 miles away. – Jana (note from Mama: yikes, how did I miss this?!?! They are definitely doing 750 Hondas, so a great place to explore . . . thanks for sharing!)

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Tuesday, June 12

Dear VTwin Mama,
Some time ago I read a post on your site from Belle Swanson describing her 400 Hondamatic Trike. I am interested in hearing from anyone who has such a trike, any photos, etc., in particular any information about the rear drive axle.  Love your site and I check it often.  Thanks. – Dennis DeRenzo in Florida at dennis@derenzo.org 

Dear Dennis,
Belle's letter came in April 2004 and unfortunately all my print records of letters are back in NC (I'm down in Mobile, AL right now), otherwise I'd look it up to see if I could put you in contact. Maybe she's still reading the site?!?!?!

Still, if you read the letter she sent, she references Jack down in FL . . . he's a guru known for his Honda Rebel knowledge, but also things beyond. Visit his site at http://www.surfmaine.com/rebel/ and scroll to the bottom . . . you'll see the phone numbers . . . I hear he is great for noodling out things when it's not in his FAQ and board sections . . . . which I believer your question would qualify for! – Mama

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Tuesday, June 12

Hi Mama,
I just wanted to give you an update on my Voyager problem. You suggested in your response to me that I should contact a reputable Voyager dealer.  Well, I neglected to tell you in my original email that we did, indeed, have it installed by a reputable Voyager dealer who came highly recommended.  

But, here's what happened.  The bike had been "sitting" in the garage since last May (2006) because I had torn a rotator cuff in my right shoulder and had not ridden in a year!  Well, when we decided to put the Voyager kit on the bike, we just took it to the Voyager dealer and had it installed.  This was a big mistake since the bike had been sitting for so long, the front tire had "bowed" and also the front wheel had loose spokes and the front forks were loose (not sure when those two things happened).  Those three things contributed to the "wobble."  

The Harley maintenance guy seems to think that the 10,000 mile checkup was not done by the previous owner as those things would have been taken care of at that time if it had been done.  So, we had the bike repaired and we took the bike back to the Voyager dealer and had the kit re-installed and now it rides like a DREAM! 

I wanted to let you know that so that I didn't give the Voyager kit a bad name.  I just LOVE riding with the kit on my bike.  It has given me a whole new sense of freedom on that motorcycle that I didn't have before.  I would highly recommend it to anyone who loves to ride, but just can't handle the "two wheel" thing!

Thanks again for your wonderful website.  I have learned so much and gotten so much encouragement from the ladies who share their stories and experiences here. I don't think I ever would have learned to ride without "V-Twin Mama"! – Linda

Dear Linda,
Well, I guessed maybe something was not right in the rear wheel (hey, I had a 50/50 shot on that!) . . . but I'm glad that the problem sorted itself out and you are now riding with great joy. I'll keep your letter in mind the next time I hear front end wobble woes with a new trike conversion! – Mama

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Wednesday, June 20

Dear VTwin Mama,
Love your website and read it all the time. I am 59 and a big woman, 199 lbs. I have never ridden a motorcycle in my life. Have always ridden behind hubby. I would love to learn to ride. We are thinking of getting our 1990 Goldwing 1500 triked with a Champion kit. Have you ever ridden one of these? Would I have trouble learning on it? I have my temps here in Ohio. 

Where can I find a course to teach me what I need to know and are they available for trikes? Thanks for all your help. God Bless. – Vicki

Dear Vicki,
It's an awesome adventure you are planning to undertake! We've had a number of letters in from Goldwing trike riders and if I recall correctly, the Goldwingers offer assistance. The Gold Wing Road Riders Association just turned 30 (congrats to them!) and at the very least you could contact the most local chapter and get the skinny on what's up!

Don't overlook the MSF's RiderCourse Location page . . . some of these course providers will have a trike class . . . click on their individual websites to see if that's available in your area.

You can also make contact with the Trike Riders International folks and their local chapters . . . they should be able to steer (!) you in the right direction.

There's no doubt you'll have an easier learning curve because you won't have to factor in the balance issue, but learning must still be treated with great respect. I've only been on trikes as test rides. Good luck following your dream! – Mama

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Thursday, July 26

Dear VTwin Mama,
I'm looking for a Danson trike kit dealer. Could you help me with this? I live close to Louisville, KY but live in IN. – Gary

Dear Gary,
Danson Trikes now has a website (in previous postings, that wasn't running yet). Now you can contact Danny, who is in Elkhorn, KY, look at products, and call or email as desired. – Mama

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Tuesday, August 21

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have a Voyager kit on my '07 Ultra Classic and I think I ride too much and too hard for it. Someone recently told me this type of kit is more like a bandaid for someone who needs a trike, and I'm beginning to believe it. Maybe it's more for the 2k/year casual rider. I ride 10k-20k a year. I wear out the bearings like crazy, etc, etc. The recent issue is both of the receiver brackets to attach the back end of the kit to the bike sheared off on the way home from Sturgis. Yikes. That one could have killed me. 

I need a real trike kit, but cannot afford one. Are they ever sold used? Doesn't anyone ever remove one and want to sell it? I've scoured the internet, but cannot find anything. If you know of any place where I can find a "slightly used" Champion, or Lehman, I'd love to know of it. – Tami

Dear Tami,
I had never really heard of problems with a Voyager kit due to lots of miles per year. Still, you're experiencing problems and if the original installer (unless it was DIY) is insisting that nothing is wrong, your only recourse is to contact MTC Voyager direct and review the situation. I am sure that Charlie Monroe, President, would be willing to discuss everything as I have found him to be very interested in reviewing anything that might be amiss with his product.

I think the reason that finding "real" trike conversions is more difficult is that the actual motorcycle is modified to such an extent, that it's a permanent conversion. So, unless someone is scraping the main bike, the conversion stays on. Remember that with the Voyager, the rear wheel remained in place, while a true trike conversion removes the rear wheel and reconfigures the back end.

To get a sense of what's involved, hop onto Lehman's Design & Technology page! I wonder if Trike Riders International could offer any information; it's possible they have covered this topic in their TRIKES! magazine.

I too could find no online source for these used rear end trike systems ... readers in the know, any input?! – Mama

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Tuesday, September 4

Dear VTwin Mama,
Tow-Pac (portable solution to getting a trike on your bike) was at Americade this year and these fit better and don’t rattle around like the Voyager ones do. – Anonymous

Dear Anon,
I've received varying viewpoints on both of these conversion kits, which leave the rear wheel of a motorcycle intact. Anything on the subject can be found on my Type of Bike: Trikes pages. – Mama

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Monday, September 10

Dear VTwin Mama,
If you remember some time back, I talked some about trikes and the TowPac I bought, well I have bad news on that. The TowPac partially mounts on two fairly weak brackets on the Burgman 650, and it has succeeded in tearing the bracket off on the right side, and about 3/4 off on the left side. At the present time I doubt you would get a good word or recommendation from me about a TowPac. This only applies to the TowPac mini trike and the Burgman 650. – Bill in Alb. NM

Dear Bill,
I was sorry to hear that this conversion kit caused problems since you wrote in last December. I can only hope that TowPac is addressing the issue with you in a satisfactory manner. – Mama

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Monday, September 17

For Nancy who got a bike with Voyager kit for an anniversary gift:

I just put one on my 2007 Sportster after trading down from a Softail because I could not ride on two wheels.  It was either the kit or lose more money because I could not keep the two wheels up.  I love my bike now because I am not afraid of it. Check the Photo Gallery for a picture – me and my fourike as I call it! – Donna (note from Mama: how wonderful to hear that you chose a new path in order to enjoy your adventure in riding!)

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Thursday, September 20

Dear VTwin Mama,
I've been riding since 1999, starting out on a Sportster then graduating to a Low Rider. Bad thing though is I've never been that comfortable riding since I'm short (5'0") and the Low Rider was pretty heavy compared to my Sportster. Never have gotten used to the weight and it was always difficult jockeying it around. 

Anyway, after riding only once last season, I thought I'd better sell it or convert it to a trike. Did the conversion with a kit from Lehman and it's a beauty, but boy was I surprised to get on it. Not what I expected. I thought it would feel stable but with the added comfort of another wheel. 

I knew the stories about turning, etc., but frankly, the wobbliness scares me! I've yet to get it out of the parking lot! As soon as I start out, the front wheel wants to turn and I immediately react as if I were it were a two-wheeled bike and was getting ready to fall! I really need some pointers on riding this thing! 

My husband is so frustrated with me and with the $$ we've spent, I really don't want to sell it. Classes aren't an option right now, as there are none in my area right now. Thanks, – Kittie

Dear Kittie,
You need a specific trike mentor! Unfortunately, none of the people in my VTwin Mama Mentor Program are signed in under this category, so I'm hoping trike riders are reading this and will email me offering you one-on-one email assistance!

Another avenue that I think holds a possibility is to visit Trike Riders International. On this page, if you scroll down to the bottom, you will see state-by-state listings of coordinators and other people. Make contact to see if there is a trike rider in your area who would be willing to come out and assist you. I'd be hoping that they could first ascertain that all is well with the trike itself and do some basic drills and address your concerns.

Also note at the top of this page is a link to the message board. You may wish to post a call for assistance! It is my understanding that this group of trike riders is very in tune with newer riders to the trike experience!

My next suggestion is to contact the local Harley dealer and see if they have a HOG chapter, maybe even with a Ladies of HOG subchapter. You may find a fellow trike rider in the group who could help, or they may know of a local trike rider who would be willing to work with you.

My last thought is to check into the closest chapter of the GWRRA (Goldwing Riders). A number of Goldwing riders trike their bikes and I hear that they are very supportive group. While you don't have a Honda, you may find a kindly mentor here! Scroll down that home page and you'll find the map that will lead you to the contact info.

DO NOT STOP your research until you find a mentor. Your hubby dearest has done as much as possible, so now it's UP TO YOU to reach out and find that person who is going to transform your desire into the joyful riding adventure you want it to be!

Feeling a bit shy about taking these steps? Don't be ... the basic nature of most people is to help when they can. Heck, you found me, didn't you?! – Mama

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Friday, September 21

For Kittie who is working hard to learn to ride her Sporty Trike:

My husband and I are the proud owners of 2 Lehman trikes: a 2003 Suzuki Volusia and a 2007 Suzuki C90.  My first thought about the wobbliness that Kittie is experiencing would be that she should contact the dealer who did the Lehman trike conversion of her Low Rider.  Our C90 trike came with a stabilizing damper that connects the front fork downtube to the bike frame, and it can be adjusted to different degrees of "stiffness."  We have not noticed any wobbliness of the front wheel at any speed.  Maybe her trike dealer would be able to install one of these devices on her Low Rider.

Additional advice we would offer to Kittie about steering is that she really needs to practice a LOT on her trike in a parking lot before she heads out onto the streets.  Because steering a trike is vastly different than steering a 2-wheel motorcycle, she will need to develop the technique of pulling and pushing the handlebar in order to negotiate curves and turns.  There is no leaning through a curve on a trike!  If you want to turn left, you need to pull on the left handgrip while at the same time pushing away from you on the right handgrip.  The faster the trike is moving the harder this is, because the physics involved make the trike want to go straight!  My husband and I practiced for about 3 weeks in parking lots and office parks (on Sundays) before we felt confident enough to head out for "real" rides! 

Thank you VTwin Mama for all of the helpful and interesting information on your website! As a new rider I am most appreciative of other riders' experiences. – Cathy in Maryland (note from Mama: thank you for the reminder that a number of trike riders find out that a stabilizing damper really does make a difference .... I had forgotten about that! And I didn't know that the faster you're going, the more effort it takes to turn, so I learned something as well!)

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Monday, September 24

More for Kittie who is working hard to learn to ride her Sporty Trike:

Take it back to dealer and have the pre-load on the steering neck tightened. The front end should move smoothly, not flop side to side. More questions on the set-up or technical, call me,  Dennis Sweet at Sweet Trikes ,586-716-0140, ex-Lehman dealer. I'm in Michigan and will help if we're nearby each other! – Dennis (note from Mama: thanks for noting the possible adjustment needed and offering additional help.)

I have a 2007 Suzuki C50 trike with a Lehman trike kit - the "Tramp." I was warned by the dealer that I'd feel a wobble at low speeds (under about 10 mph), but sometimes I swear I feel it at higher speeds too. I have discovered that it's not as bad when I let go of the "death grip" on the handle bars - there's going to be some vibration, but when I hold the handle bars and "lock" my arms it's much worse. Since I had the risers put on, I haven't felt the need to squeeze them that tightly, which has helped a lot.

Don't give up!! Do you know anyone else who rides? Maybe they can test ride it for you - if you aren't used to it, it can feel worse than it actually is, so having someone else ride it could help you figure out if it's all the trike or if some of it is your nerves. That's what helped me - my son, who has a couple more years riding experience, took mine out and assured me that it's not as bad as I thought it was. (He's actually the one who noticed I was locking my elbows.)

This is from Lehman's site - somewhat of an explanation on why you feel the vibration. I know the C90 trike has stabilizer bars - you could check on those for your trike. You might also want to check that the tire pressure is at the correct levels - I'll check around for more info because I could very well be wrong, but I seem to remember hearing that putting a trike kit on a bike changes those requirements somewhat. You didn't say who did your conversion, but if it was a dealer I would hope they would know and check that (assuming I'm right, of course).

Handling on a trike is definitely different - if you're looking for classes, now or in the future, I suggest asking your local MSF course if they have trike OR sidecar classes. One of the companies here in MA that provides the courses has a sidecar class that will teach trikes as long as you can provide your own - I believe the course is $200.

Feel free to email me if I can help or you just want another three-wheeler to "talk" to!! Ride Safe!! – Cheri (note from Mama: ok, lots of great advice here! I didn't realize that a deathgrip does the same thing on a trike as it does on a two-wheeler, but it makes sense as any time you restrict the natural movement of the front wheel, it WILL change the handling characteristics!)

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Monday, September 24

Hi VTMama,
I'm in the process of having a Tow-Pac 12" wheels kit put on my '04 Road King. Unlike the Voyager, I read the wheels are stable on the ground and don't rise on cornering. I went to the dealer to check out the progress of the installation. The wheels were about 1/2" or so off the pavement. Aren't they supposed to be on the ground as stabilizers all the time? – Lori in KC

Dear Lori,
I do not know the answer to this question, so am hoping that other Tow-Pac riders will chime in. If the installer is not answering the question to your satisfaction, I would call in to Tow-Pac headquarters toll free at 866-694-3500. They are in Illinois. – Mama

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Monday, September 24

Hey VTM,
Warning to people considering a Voyager or InstaTrike type of conversion. I've heard of police in different states giving tickets out to them for having a 4 wheeler plated as a motorcycle. Plus, no seat belt, and no windshield wiper. Also they're not D.O.T. approved because they don't have a brake per wheel. – Dennis Sweet of Sweet Trikes

Dear Dennis,
Yes, we've heard of some instances of this happening, as local law enforcement may not be aware of this type of conversion. If I recall correctly, contact the headquarters of either company for assistance in working with the state's DMV system to clear up the matter. – Mama

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Tuesday, September 25

For Lori who is having a Tow-Pac conversion installed and wheels aren't on ground:

Yes, the Tow-Pac Wheels should be on the ground.  To remedy this on my Honda 400, we simply lowered the shocks.  That did the trick.  The whole thing then settled in where it was supposed to be.  I've had no trouble with it since then.  Hope this helps. – Jo in WV (note from Mama: thanks for the info; I'm wondering if the installation was far enough along and the installers simply hadn't finalized the adjustments.)

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Tuesday, October 2

From Kittie who has been learning to ride a trike conversion:

This is for all who wrote in concerning my difficulty on my new trike.  I wanted to say thanks to all who responded!  Everyone had lots of good advice! 

My husband did ride the trike and said it is fine, so it shouldn't be a mechanical problem with the kit (Lehman).  I think the main problem was that when I would start off slowly, the front wheel wanted to turn and I just needed to steady the handlebars straight.  I was used to a 2-wheeler, where when the handlebars are straight and you take off, it stays that way unless you are turning.  No doubt, it was due to the slow speed, and many who wrote in this forum and in personal e-mails to me emphasized that the bike feels a little unsteady at the slower speeds.  It just requires a mental adjustment on my part to realize the trike isn't going to tip over like a 2-wheeler would, and to not react as if I were on a 2-wheeler.

This past weekend it went really good!  I spent 2 days in the parking lot and am ready for some street riding this week.  Rode for  2 hours Saturday and an hour Sunday practicing LOTS of turns, starting, stopping, downshifting into turns, u-turns, etc.  Needless to say, I was whupped when I finished!  Hubby was pleased, too.  It really takes getting used to, though, when those back wheels go over a bump and it shakes the whole bike!

So after some street riding this week, I will do a bit of highway on Saturday and then have all day Columbus Day to do some serious riding before we head to Biketoberfest on the 16th - maybe we'll some of you there!  Hubby will be on a 2005 black cherry Ultra and I'll be on the 2003 black Low Rider trike!  Oh, we will be getting the trike checked over before the trip, to ensure everything is as it should be mechanically, just to be on the safe side!

Thanks again to everyone for their advice; it really did help prepare me for this weekend. – Kittie (note from Mama: I'm so glad to hear that responses and emails help rally your confidence ... it sounds like you're getting the hang of it and ready to try new things one at a time. Good for you ... you sought assistance so that your dream of riding didn't fold! Remember that if for any reason, after these next 2 weeks, you just don't feel ready for the Biketoberfest travel experience, speak up and say so! It doesn't do any good to take on too much ... and there's plenty of riding in your future!)

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Wednesday, October 17

Dear Mama,
Please help me. I have a very important question.  I am learning with a 750  bike, but what I really want to buy is a Trike. Do you think I should buy my Trike and learn with it, or it is ok to keep learning with a bike? Thank you! – Xiomy

Dear Xiomy,
Two-wheel motorcycles and trikes handle quite differently. This difference is most notable in curves, where a two-wheeler would be leaned through the curve while a trike must be steered through. There is no real disadvantage in learning some basics on a standard bike, but if you're struggling with balance issues or anything else with that 750, I'd get the trike and move forward in your learning with that. – Mama

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Friday, October 26

Dear VTwin Mama,
I’m wanting to get as much info as I can on Trikes.  My husband is going to convert his old bike to a trike for me when he gets his new one. – Veronica

Dear Veronica,
One good place to start is by reading all the previous letters that have come into the VTwin Mama, which can be found on the Bike Type: Trikes pages! Within these letters you'll find that there are two types of conversions, some realities about riding trikes, and some modifications that solve frustrations that trike riders can experience. You'll also find links to national level trike riders organizations and more!

My suggestion is to start with the 2007 archive and work back through the years. Copy and paste useful things into a word document so you can organize it, save it, and print it out. By the time you've gone through everything, you'll really having a pretty good idea of what you should be considering before making the conversion, learning to ride, and other stuff! – Mama

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Monday, November 19

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have an '05 1200 Sportster that is a Lehman Trike. I bought it that way and I LOVE it. I am now 62 (it was my 60th birthday gift from my hubby). I didn't ride it much the first year... but I can't stay off it now. I ride every chance I get!!!

You do have to be a little careful turning ... a trike doesn't lean. It turns. But once you've got that down you're good to go. – Free on Three, Arlene

Dear Arlene,
How interesting that you're really getting into the trike riding experience after that initial year! Congrats! Sometimes it just takes awhile to get past the learning curve to the "omigosh, what joy" part ... but we think it's well worth the effort. Many happy road miles to you!  – Mama

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