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2001 Wednesday, October 31 Dear VTwin Mama, I'm 49 years old, barely 5' tall and weigh about 108 lbs. I've only had my MC license for a little over a year. I took the MSF course and highly recommend it to everyone. I live in New England, which means the riding season isn't that long. I started out with a Suzuki Savage 650, which I practiced on while I had my permit, and rode for a short time after I got my license (for a total of about 5 months). I traded it in for a 1996 Yamaha Virago 1100, which I've since put 7,000 miles on. I chose the Virago because it was relatively light and I could touch the ground with both feet! I've been told by many that the Virago is a little top-heavy. Has
anyone else heard or experienced the top-heavy feel of the Virago? If I
would trade it in, I would like to get a Yamaha V-Star (I've been told it
has a lower center of gravity) but I'm not sure if I can handle the
additional weight (500 lbs for the Virago versus 600 lbs for the V-Star).
I still have a little anxiety when stopping on hills and in slow tight
turns with my current bike, so I'm not sure if I could handle a heavier
bike. Any thoughts or suggestions would be helpful. Thanks again for the
support and encouragement you give us all. New
Rider in New England I agree that riding a bike that you can't pick up could potentially be a huge problem. If you haven't seen the Newsletter Links page yet, go on over. There is a wonderful German site (in English) that shows a woman picking up her bike while wearing a mini shirt and high heels! Picture by picture you learn a technique that you might like. As for your anxiety, the only cure is practice and plenty of it. Still, even after 22 years of riding I still try to thoughtfully anticipate upcoming traffic, parking, turnaround and rough road conditions to place myself in the best position to do the least amount of work and save myself from messy situations. I'm such a wuss! Check the Riding Techniques Archive for more input on different things that can happen and how to save your butt! And now we'll see what other input women have for you. Glad to have you aboard! Mama Date Lost Dear VTwin Mama,
Dear Cathy, Tuesday, May 14 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear April, http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/pickup.html but this one is in fun because if I remember correctly, it's a German site, written partially in English and the gal is in a minishirt and heels ! ! ! http://rover.mainz.netsurf.de/~uschla/bikefrauen.html Never be caught with your bike down again! Mama Monday, June 2 Dear VTwin Mama, I have a Shadow 600, just upgraded last week (whoo hoo!). Unfortunately earlier this week I was just about to roar out of my driveway, stalled it as I was turning onto the road and promptly fell over! How embarrassing to find that I CAN'T LIFT IT UP AGAIN!! All the tips my instructor gave me about it didn't seem to work. A nice passing pedestrian (male) had to help get me back on two wheels again. How is a 5ft4in lady supposed to pick up a chunk of metal like that by herself? (no idea what it weighs, more than 375lb though). Any tips for me? ShadowPuss Dear ShadowPuss, Top Monday, May 17 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Bryna, Saturday, June 19 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
K., As a reminder to readers, my Cool Links page contains all sorts of useful sites and my Archive page contains the listing of all postings by subject matter for reference. Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, Keep up the good work, because it sure brightens my day to read that there are so many others out there that have struggled in the same ways I have, and if I can make it at 58, they certainly will as well. It also saddens me when I read that one of our sisters have lost or sustained injuries of a family member, or friend, or even themselves in a motorcycle accident. My prayers are with them. Sincerely, Marlene from Ohio Dear
Marlene, The sites that show bikes not quite flat on the ground I believe are illustrated in such a way to make the procedure more photographable. Still, when the bike takes a nap (or is lazy in gravel), the same set of rules apply. Rarely is a bike completely flat, as it will have encountered the tank or foot pegs, etc. I encourage you to begin to become one with the weight of the bike. Perhaps you've read before my thoughts on sitting on the bike (not running) and leaning it to the left and right to gauge the weight and get a real feel for it (have a partner straddle the front end to give you some measure of reassurance). See how much your leg can really hold and how far you can handle that thing. Then, get a piece of carpet and have hubby help you learn. I can guarantee you that he wouldn't want you stranded without help when this relatively simple technique is a real skill to have under your belt. So, gather some courage and something to lay the bike on, and get cracking. No, it won't be as easy to pick up as a bike with guards, but why not take the time to figure out what you ARE GOING TO DO if you need to do it. I'm sure between your husband and yourself, you'll find the best way yet -- for you! You will not believe the piece of mind it will bring. This is your Mama talking! Mama Tuesday, July 27 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Robbie, Dear
VTwin Mama, Anyway, I just bought a used Yamaha 750CC two weeks go. I'm about 5'8" and it seems a little too big for me. That is, when I sit on the bike and put both feet on the ground, I cannot flat feet it. However, if I put my right foot on the break, the other is comfortably flat on the ground. Do you think the bike is too large or just right for me? I'm a little bit intimidated because this is my first bike. I know the basic of all of the controls like clutch and brake, and I've been riding up and down the alley street (straight line only). People are telling me how difficult it is to make a turn due to the speed - not too fast and not too slow. For this reason, I haven't try it yet. Do you have any advice how to make a turn with a right speed? I'm afraid that the bike may lean too much and fall. I don't think I can pick it back up it it falls. Thanks. Duke Dear
Duke, From previous postings it has been noted that it isn't absolutely necessary to be flat footed at a dead stop, but the consensus remains that most riders feel more in control if they are. A simple fix would be to get riding boots with a touch more heel or investigate a seat that would lower you somewhat. Making a turn at the right speed takes practice, and an alley isn't the place to begin trying! You want to have room about you without obstacles or distractions that allow you begin practice with plenty of breathing space so that wider turns can be first done so you get the hang of it! Any chance you know an experienced rider that could get the bike to an empty parking lot for practice?! That would be the ideal solution. Don't kid yourself on this point . . . if you don't know anyone, how about checking with local dealers to see what riding groups are around, and then go introduce yourself! Find a mentor. Really. I agree that not knowing how to pick up the bike can cause even more tension in your riding sessions because what are you going to do if it happens? The answer is: learn to pick up the bike! Here is one site with picture by picture instructions. Then, get a piece of old carpet or something, lay the bike down, and give it a whirl (have a friend assist in the lowering of the bike!). Once you master this, your confidence will soar! Mama Friday, September 10 For Duke who is beginning to ride and had questions on seat height and turns: Hi there . . . reading your site on my lunch hour, and had to send along a few ideas for Duke . . . First, if you feel the bike is too high for you, have you looked into a lowering kit? It could drop the bike an inch or two (which doesn't seem like a lot, but it is), help you feel more grounded. And the idea that VTG [VTwin Goddess :)] gave about getting boots with a bit of a heel is great . . . I did that and it did help me. Second, as far as turns go, I just got a video to help me with the same thing. I found the info on VTG site, and can't wait to try out the techniques. It is at www.ridelikeapro.com. The video I got is for ladies who seem to have a good riding foundation set, as it addressed things like tight turns, leaning, and tips to keep the bike upright no matter what the lean or the speed. I would imagine they would have a video that could give you some tips as well. And how about a riding class . . . have you taken that? Hope this helps a bit, and good luck!!! Julie (note from Mama: thanks for the additional points and elevating me to Goddess status . . . so much to live up to now! Yes, the video you point out has been a real life saver for many riders who need to master skills or are looking to hone their technique . . . listen folks, riding is a life time commitment to learning, and there is NO getting around that fact!) For Kevin who feels that riders shouldn't ride a bike heavier than they can pick up: Sorry. Maybe I read this all wrong but this man pissed me off! I don't really give a flying flip if he benches his own body weight or not! He obviously does not know the correct way to pick up a downed beasty. Yes this is Sparkle again, me and the VALK want to speak! His solutions didn't give poor Susan anything to go on in my opinion, other than maybe he's another one of THOSE! I'm 5ft 8in 150lbs and me and Valk have an understanding and I depend on no one! Where does he get off telling us if we can't lift it, don't ride it. Shit, maybe he wants to ride a mini bike for the rest of his life . . . but not me! Girls, do what you want and to hell with what ever the men folk have to say. Eventually you will gain their respect but by damn you gotta learn first. I suppose they were all born with a hog between their legs. THEY NEVER WENT THRU THE LEARNING PROCESS, right? Wrong! They just admit to nothing. He said he'd never own a dresser because he can't lift it. Well, he's a wuss. Since I got the Valkyrie I have ridden my husband's Harley full dresser, no difference, but have gained total respect in my neighborhood and from my husband too. We are capable of anything the men can do, difference is we use our heads instead of our muscle, but ya know, some of us ladies have some muscle too. Sorry for the length of this but this guy Kevin sent me into orbit and I found him not the least bit supportive to Susan. Mister, what you had to say was the last thing this lady needed to hear! I am not a women's liber and I like the finer things in life just like the men do, but I hate the attitude men seem to have now that we ladies have gotten the guts to move into their once forbidden territory. Excuse me? We don't wanna be your bitch anymore! And if there is a question, Yes, the Valk fell over in the garage all by itself (damn), but guess what, it didn't take a crane to pick it back up. We don't want to pick it up and carry it somewhere, we just need to know how to get it upright. GRRRRRRRR, I'm still mad! Mama has the site that shows the correct way to pick up your bike, and it works . . . please check it out. Sparkle (with a dagger or two) (note from Mama: it is true that Kevin and his wife Terri feel strongly that if a rider cannot pick up their bike, they should be riding something lighter weight. I felt that his viewpoint offered a point of consideration for newer riders who are trying to gauge their comfort level with a bike. I agree with you that riders can learn to master any bike they truly wish to ride (as I urged you to go for your dream bike, the Valkyrie, but noted that a good step for handling the bigger bike would be to practice pick-up techniques). Just as we think about the many aspects of a bike, it's set-up, it's handling characteristics, etc. when choosing a bike, the weight and size factor in the decision making process. Picking up a bike correctly is a very useful knowledge, and riders interested in sites that offer picture by picture instruction can visit my Pick Up the Bike page for more information.) Monday, November 1 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Li, Note from VTwin Mama: I'm posting these messages of rebuttal . . . so that everyone has their say . . . but, if this thread becomes a pissing contest between opposing parties, I'm going to end it. Folks, this site needs constructive discussion so that readers gain insights. Enuf said. Sorry Sparkle, but I think you have read too deeply into what Kevin and Terri are trying to say with regards to women and big bikes. I only found this site today and after reading back, found that I just had to respond. Kevin's advice is sound. I myself am only 5ft and currently ride pillion with my husband. He would dearly love me to take my own bike test and get my own bike. This I am all in favour of as nowadays there are few things a man can do that a woman cannot, but...while independence is all important, I also know my limitations. There is no way on this earth I would ever want to put myself at risk by riding a bike that is way too heavy for me to lift on my own. Independence means being able to do for yourself, why ride a piece of beautiful machinery that you could only control when it was upright? I am by no means a woman held by so called feminine restraints, I am a truck driver and proud of it, but still know my limits. If men see me as a threat to their masculine society, either as a trucker or as a prospective biker, then that's their problem not mine, but I would not try to impress them by riding a bike that is obviously way beyond my physical strength or capability to lift. Why look a pratt when it falls over for goodness sake? I realised that after reading Kevin and Terri's letter and the numerous links, that there are techniques to be learnt to help in these situations, but even with these techniques, there still comes a time when the bike is just too dam heavy even for a woman (light hearted humour there). Sparkle, don't think of men as being people we have to prove ourselves to, or defend from, they're not, well most of them anyway (joke). I totally agree with Kevin and Terri i.e.; "If you can't pick a particular bike up because it's too big and heavy for you, then you shouldn't be riding it." When did that logic stop being sensible? Logic? Isn't that something we accuse the males in this world of not having? Well it seems to me as though this journey to fight female equality has lost its logic on the way. If something, be it a bike or whatever, is too dam heavy, then don't lift it for God's sake! Go for something smaller! If you don't have the muscle or the technique for picking up a heavy bike....then buy something smaller. Some women may well have the strength and capability to control and lift big bikes (well good luck to them, I admire them), but others of us may not be so fortunate. Don't chastise those for their weaknesses, but equally, don't be pushed into purchasing/riding a bike beyond your physical capabilities, whatever your gender. As a final word (I promise hehe) Safety is paramount. Enjoy your bike whatever its size and your gender, and be comfortable with it. Tjay in the UK (note from Mama: I've decided to be "Switzerland" on this issue, neutral on the back and forth points, except to say that I still consider bike size/weight a point of consideration for riders . . . know what you're taking on and get the training to handle all aspects.) You wrote you gained respect when people saw you riding your husband's Harley around the neighborhood? Do you feel you would be less well respected on a smaller bike? Riding bikes should not be about gaining respect my dear, it should be about enjoying your riding. On any size bike! I ride a 900cc Honda Fireblade. Yes I can pick it up, it's a struggle, but I can do it. Kevin taught me to ride a 250 trail bike more than 15 years ago. More power to Kev I say! Tango in Sydney, Australia (note from Mama: I read the "respect" portion of the letter to mean that riders respect other riders that can master handling a bigger bike, and not as a point of disrespect to riders who chose a smaller/lighter weight bike. I am now going to note that one of the problems with websites and emails is that we can't see facial expressions, body language or hear the tone of voice from each person . . . making it easier to read into a written message things that may not be there.) Let me say I truly believe Kev's letter was spot on in regards to people (and I think you will find he said PEOPLE, he did not say it was women in particular!) not riding bikes they cannot pick up. I've been a licensed motorcycle instructor for some years now, so I know whereof I speak. You can lift heavy bikes up, I'm happy for you. Many women cannot, (many men either) it's that simple and that true. I am 5'4 and weigh about 50 kilos. There is no way in the wide world I could lift a heavy bike up by myself unaided. Certainly not a Valkyrie, definitely not a Harley. Technique is good, but you still need strength and I, being so petite, just don't have it. I can ride anything, that's not the same thing. The same is true for many of the girls I ride with, most of whom have now read your letter, and feel you seem to dislike the idea of a man suggesting a woman cannot do something men are capable of, rather than taking the time to think through what Kevin actually wrote. My final comment is aimed at your insulting attitude to Kev, was he impolite to Susan? Did he insult her? No, he suggested another way she may be able to lift her bike up. Why did you feel the need to belittle him? Do you feel much bigger and tougher now? Lady calling my hubby a wuss is way out of line. He did not wish me to get into this debate but you started it so I am going to finish it. Open your mouth a little wider, your foot hasn't quite fitted all the way in yet. Yes he's a really wussy guy; served in our elite Special Forces, One Commando Unit. (Famous for letting wussies in as we all know!) A few years arresting really nasty people as a Transit Cop. More nastiest as a prison response officer. Years as a tactical security and protection specialist. A job he does to this day. He had the honesty to admit that he could not lift up a Harley Dresser or a Goldwing and you insult him because of it? Lady get over yourself. Actually I disagree with Kev on that point. If someone was laying, trapped underneath a Harley Dresser, he'd break his back to get the bike off them. That's the kind of guy he is. He was teaching women to ride bikes long before we met. He's one of the most "women on bikes" guys I know. You really are talking crap out of complete ignorance Sparkle. Terri, Kevin's wife (note from Mama: thank you for sharing your viewpoint on the difference between riding a bike and being able to handle it if something goes wrong. As for the rest of the message, well, I'm letting you have your say.) Yeah well what can I say? I think I stated I am not against women riding big bikes? I think I pointed out that if you own a bike you are incapable of lifting up on your own, you will have to rely on passersby or your cell phone for assistance? I don't believe I singled women out in particular. I know for a fact that the technique I explained for picking up a heavy bike works perfectly well...because now it's used by riders in the Paris Dakar and the Pharaoh's rallies. I do believe I would to like to see Susan's response. She's the one who needed advice. Sorry ladies, I am not going to argue with Sparkle. She feels I was giving women a hard time, hey it's a free planet and she's welcome to her opinion. (Such as it is.) I would like a response from the majority of women who are regulars at this site. How many of you CAN pick up a heavy bike unaided? Lets say anything above 800cc models. I really am interested in your replies. Kevin (note from Mama: well thought-out responses are welcome; pissing contest is not.) I can't help but mention how impressed I am with the people that continue to write with their wisdom and thoughts. There are people writing from all corners of the world, (yes, you can tell from the "different" way something is said or phrased). Congratulations are in order to all that communicate through this site for bringing such high quality questions and comments that so many look here for answers and opportunities to educate. My hat's off to you Petra for a great job! You choose to let us make our choices on sensitive issues (Helmets, Hearing Protection, Bike Size....), but will continue to show all sides of an issue. Thank you for such a great job! Michele (note from Mama: I appreciate the vote of confidence! This site aims to educate, but trust me on this, I'm learning all the time as well as the "moderator"! Sometimes the lessons aren't so pretty and other times I think I got it just right. I maintain that if we all just keep trying to make a difference, we'll all be winners together!) This is concerning the discussion about not riding a bike you cant pick up by yourself. I was able to pick up my 1200 Sportster unaided, but it was not easy. I would not have been able to if not for reading the how to pick up a bike technique from this website. Darija (note from Mama: thanks for letting me know that something posted on this site made a difference to you! My Pick Up the Bike page continues to be a source of useful information.) Regarding the bike pick up issue, common sense says to agree with Kevin. He made some excellent points, but if everyone felt that way, then practically no one would be riding bigger bikes. Can anyone pick up a fallen GoldWing? Seriously. My husband dropped his 800 lb. 1100 in the driveway once. He said that had it not been for the engine guards (and probably the saddlebags, too) he would never have been able to pick it up himself. I want to equip my VLX with engine guards and saddlebags (for stuff too) for just that reason--- if the bike goes over, it won't be totally flat, and I'll have a better chance of leveraging it up myself. He argues that I should be past the point of dropping a bike because people just don't DO that once they get some experience (although HE did). I argued that if I came out of a restaurant, for example, and my bike was on its side, I want to be able to right it. What if no one was around to help? I told him it's a confidence thing and he left it alone. I'm going to do what's right for me anyway; learned that one the hard way. The point is, while it's prudent to think things through in regards to handling a fallen motorcycle, in the end we each have to do what is comfortable for us as individuals. I've put over 4,000 miles on my little Virago this season, and I HOPE that by the time I graduate back up to the VLX, I'll be skilled enough NOT to drop it. Time will tell. Linda C. (note from Mama: good point that bikes which are heavier can be outfitted to aid the pick up process. Not ALL bike naps are of our own doing but understanding our capabilities is.) Guess I just had to jump on the bandwagon here. I have felt for quite awhile that the motorcycling industry is getting a bit out of hand with the "bigger bikes are better" attitude. While window shopping in a motorcycle dealership recently, a sales woman encouraged me to sit on the Vulcan 2000 telling me how easy it was to handle. Yes, I could lift it off the kickstand; yes, I could rock if back and forth slightly without falling over; BUT I would not ever dream of MANHANDLING (my word) that bike through the wonderful, curvy roads near my home. I just don't think it would be any fun. What do I ride? A measly little old-style Vulcan 750 (it's actually not old, but a 2004), all 483 lbs of it, small in today's world of 600+ lb cruisers. AND I LOVE IT! MEN and women are impressed when I ride this bike. The ease with which I handle it. The lean that I can get on it. The comfort that I so obviously have on it. And before anyone thinks that it isn't enough of a bike to really cruise on, said bike and I recently did a 4000 mile trip through seven states, to the top of Pikes Peak (14,110 feet) with nary a problem. Choosing your ride is a very personal matter, one which I've tended to stay out of for that reason. But Kevin and Terri have raised some very good points this time and in the past which I've whole-heartedly agreed with. I think MANY people, men and women, are riding bikes that are so large. Note, I do not say too large, but just large. I'm not the one to say something is too large, but I will say that I cannot see the enjoyment in manhandling (there's that word again) a bike through every corner and every sweeping curve. And I'm not the only person feeling this way, I've read many recent articles about long-term riders (20+ years experience) who bought into the bigger is better attitude and who are now going back to the smaller bikes (600-750 cc's) simply because they are more fun to ride. I'm guessing it depends on the type of riding you are doing, but for me, my little 750 is a dream! I won't get into the issue of picking up a bike, being woman or man enough to pick a bike up alone, and whether that defines your right to ride a specific bike. Size, what you ride, style, all of that is a personal matter. My point is simply that bigger is not always better, or even more fun. Hey, and just for fun, I'll throw in here that I personally like a little bit higher center of gravity (a whole other issue). I feel that I can better control the higher COG which also gives me quite a bit more lean in curves leaving my fellow riders on the low-slung, heavier weight cruisers far behind (I wait for them at the next stop sign). It's just a matter of preference! And for Susan, who originally started this entire thread . . . please, please don't give up! Riding is the cheapest therapy out there, and honey, it sounds as if you need a little therapy, a little R&R, because of the person you are married to. If you ever want to chat one-on-one with a fellow lady rider, just give me a yell . . . I'm sure Petra has a way to hook us up! Ride safe, Tracy (note from Mama: an interesting note that many experienced riders are notching down a bit on bike size . . . I have to admit that my bigger engine is mounted on a sleeker body . . . which was why I chose it . . . personal preference (an old '76 HD Superglide) . . . I'm not into bulky front ends, or middles or rear ends for that matter! I've had to PERSON-handle it (LOL) a few times and was glad that the body style lent itself to this. Also glad I have highway bars. Again, we CHOOSE our bikes and do best when we take as many points into consideration in doing so.) I do not believe that if a bike is to big then you shouldn't be riding it! My bike is definitely too big for me and I'm riding it anyways! Haven't dropped it, ain't planning on dropping it, and if I do drop it, I will pick it up alone! I am 5ft 8in and 150 lbs, same as Sparkle, only thing different here is I ride a Harley Davidson Heritage Classic: 799lbs. Women shouldn't be put down because of their size . . . if you're 5ft tall and want to ride an 800 lb bike, Do It! I had a small bike at first and couldn't stand the fact that it would not keep up with the bigger bikes and also the handling of the bigger bikes are so much better! I know men that are bigger than I am and they can't pick up there bikes alone either! They some how manage, why are we women so much different! I agree with Sparkle ladies, if the will is there, then do it!! I know a lot of Cowboys that can't pick up there horses, but they still ride! Ok Ladies, if your out there riding alone and you do drop your bike I guarantee there will be some nice strong man to happen by and help you lift it back upright! Shit Happens. Connie (note from Mama: a chuckle came from me on the Cowboy/horse analogy! And yes, crap happens . . . it's all about what to do in that case . . . and what contingency plans you have in place should something happen. I truly believe that Kevin made it clear he wasn't telling women that they couldn't ride bigger bikes, but given Susan's drop, that heavier bikes that cannot be easily picked up are a point of consideration. Again, I agree that the letter could be taken in a number of ways (as it was) and that by continuing to post ALL viewpoints, this site will allow readers to have a good "think through" on what they are doing in regard to the issue. I'm hoping that those who haven't a clue how to pick up their bike are now going to take the time to visit my Pick Up the Bike page, hop onto the links at the top, and learn something! By knowing these techniques, we are also in position to assist another rider whose bike is down and needs informed, correct help to minimize further damage.) Kevin says . . . ok we've all had our say now, obviously some people will agree with me about women and heavy bikes . . . and some will not. I must point out I REALLY thought my advice to Susan was informative and thoughtful. It's up to her now to decide what she wishes to do in regards to biking and her unsupportive other half. Whatever she decides I am still willing to offer advice if she asks for it. Remember when you ask other people for advice, you may not always like the answers you get back. I based my answers to her on past experience and real life situations. Kevin (note from Mama: this is not the first time this site has hosted a viewpoint that stirs passion and controversy among readers. Because I write this column on an almost daily basis, I am ever mindful that how I word my response can be read many ways. Sometimes too wimpy, sometimes too harsh, sometimes on target. I understand that each person's personal set of experiences plays a big role in how something is read. What I do know is that today's postings brought this subject into a useful give and take that will help riders understand that they must take personal responsibility for their choices . . . something I believe that we all agree upon.) Thursday, November 4 A little bit more about riding a bike you can't pick up: In response to the size and weight of your bike. Should you limit yourself to a bike you can lift? Here's my insight. It's no deferent than your decision to start or keep riding. It's a personal one . . . people tell you they're dangerous and you'll get hurt or worse. And others say wow, you're going love it. Well here's what I have to say to a new rider, not the experienced (they already know). Everyone drops their bike in the beginning whether it be in the drive, on gravel, or the embarrassing stop light drop. Anything can happen. The size bike is up to you and what you can do. I don't just mean picking it up, some might not have a problem asking for help. But if you ride the back roads like I do and you're solo, it's nice to know you can handle it when you're in the middle of nowhere. When you ride a bike you can't lift you have to plan accordingly. No different then those who ride full-size Wings. . . they're going to avoid parking on a slop with gravel. If you love it and can handle it, whatever that might be, go for it . . . don't let anyone hold you back from what you can handle or push you into something you can't. When all is said and done, it's the rider that must deal with their ride. P.S. Thanks VTwin Mama for working so hard on your site . . . it looks Great. Jennifer G. (note from Mama: taking personal responsibility for all aspects of riding a motorcycle is imperative if the experience has a chance of being positive overall. If something goes wrong, we learn from it, and then hopefully stop long enough to consider what changes we might want to make. Everything from taking a riding course, reading up on the subject, choosing a different bike, etc. Sharing our collective experiences is a good way to start as it gives us a chance to evaluate options and then ponder the best option for us as individuals! And thanks for letting me know you like the redesign of the site!) Something that Connie said in regards to the "heavy bike pick up" issue struck a chord. Why is it different for women? I think it's attitudes. At least the underlying attitudes that we've invaded a male area and have taken some guff for it. Certainly not from all men (no bashing intended here) but it does exist. It's that old mindset that we have to do something twice as well to be considered half as good. We've been beaten over the head with that stick for so long that unintentionally maybe our first reactions tend to be defensive. Think about it, if people see a guy at a light drop his bike, they wouldn't think that much of it beyond seeing if he's alright. But if people see a woman at a light drop her bike, a more likely response would be that "she can't handle it" or "that bike is too heavy for her." I think deep down, we react proactively. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's the situation in which we find ourselves. Equality has a price. This heavy bike thing may continue to be a hot issue, but we gals just have to be tough and suck it up. Like the guys have to. Linda C. (note from Mama: an interesting addition to the discussion . . . cultural stereotypes coming into play as women battle onward not to appear as if they need to prove themselves, yet, as most breathing human beings, setting out to try new things and in the process, proving themselves! Reminds me when I saw an article in a magazine about the "older" set still riding . . . the mag didn't even try to fight the typical rider stereotype . . . on Harleys, hardcore, hellbent bikers clad in black leather out to have a good party time and see how naked they could get. And this included both men and women. Give me a break!) Tuesday, December 14 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Yovanda, Now, not to worry about picking up the bike. Hop onto my Picking Up the Bike page and you'll see links to excellent sites that show you picture by picture on how to do it. Then get an old piece of carpet on the ground, lay the bike down (with gas tank empty if possible or near empty) and practice (with hubby to help!). Wow, you won't be believe what a great confidence builder this it! Many women have learned this and can pick up honking big, heavy bikes . . . so get cracking on some practice! Mama Monday, February 14 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Denise, Friday, March 18 Dear
VTwin Mama, I had more problems in parking lots than anywhere else, then had my grandchildren for the summer and couldn't ride much...recently had back surgery but Dr. says I can ride this summer. I quit dropping it since about the third time (was not even freakin' on and I pulled it off the kickstand and took it right on over!). My question is, I have ridden it to work and back, no problem . . . but what IF I were to hit uneven pavement or something, and lay it over. HOW DO I PICK IT UP? It sucks to think that I would have to have someone with me all the time to pick up my bike for me! I have heard that I can use leverage and the front brake and roll it up. Can you give any advice for us solo women riders? Is there a website that would provide this info? Anita Lyster Dear
Anita, Sunday, April 24 Hello Mama, I got my butt under it until I could pull a milk crate under it, then I got it up enough to prop it with a kitchen chair, then the rest of the way. If not for the crash bars I am sure I couldn't have budged it. I was weak and shaky for a while. Now, 20 years later with a degenerative disk disease I ain't even gonna try too hard to pick my bike up if there is anyone -- male or female -- around to give me a hand. There is no shame in that! I have seen some tough dudes helping each other pick up a scoot. If my old Jeep quits on me I can't push it out of the road either. My point being, many like myself can't pick up a even a small bike with out hurting ourselves, so why not ride the bike you want and be cool with getting help. I would not do this in the desert or boonies alone, however, most of us ride where there are some people around. Just my humble opinion, Patti Dear
Patti, Wednesday, September 7 Dear
VTwin Mama, If the bike has fallen to the left (i.e. the right footpeg is sticking up in the air and the left footpeg is down on the ground) 1. Hit kill switch Hopefully, the bike will stand up! I've only tried this with my tiny bike, but I'd like to hear if it works for others. Good luck! Karli Dear
Karli, Monday, April 24 Dear VTwin Mama, As I was riding alone yesterday waiting for the light to change I dropped it at the busiest 5 way intersection I could have imagined. Thank goodness two men jumped out of their trucks and lifted it up. My question is can I, a woman 49 years old but in good shape be able to learn to lift the bike myself? Are there tricks to this? I would feel safer riding alone knowing I can lift it if the need arises again. LET'S HOPE NOT, but just in case . . . Thanks, Susan Dear Susan, Please note that if a bike does not have an engine guard, often called a crash bar or highway bar, picking up a bike is more difficult. In most cases, the point of the guard is to stick out and protect the tank and engine from direct ground contact, thus leaving the bike laying at an angle, which means you're not trying to pick the bike up from a total dead nap position. Something to consider depending on a bike's setup. Mama (note: I emailed this response on Friday, and now we hear from Susan again) The info you sent was great. I did watch
the video of the woman lifting her bike up in her skirt. I then had my
husband lay down my Yamaha 1100 and I practiced. I did get it up three
times! What a relief to know that if I had to I could lift it with that
technique. Monday, June 19 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Kevin, Sunday, July 16 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Rudy, In all the years I've being writing this advice column, we've handled a lot of "bike taking a nap" questions, but never has anyone written in about a product that would assist. It's always boiled down to practice with the specific bike and rider's physical realities. I know we've had letters that stated the butt technique worked to a point (like you) and then they had to learn to use a slightly different butt/leg planting position so that the full lift could be accomplished. As you don't note your previous riding experience level, I'm wondering what you're doing when the bike drops. It could be so many things, so I invite you to explore the exact maneuver with me so that what is creating the drop can be corrected. Mama Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Mindy, Being able to pick up one's own motorcycle is one of the greatest confidence builders around, but requires practice. If you go to my Riding Techniques: Pick Up The Bike page, you'll see links at the top of the page to other sites that show you the proper technique step-by-step. I'll simply add that with a highway bar (often called an engine guard or crash bar) installed, which keeps a motorcycle at an angle when its on it's side, it's easier to do this. Read through the procedure, enlist the help of a family member or friend, find an old piece of carpet, lay the bike down (gas off and tank mostly empty) and practice! I'm also going to counsel that you get your bike to an empty
parking lot to work through all the drills you did in the MSF class, only on
your new VTX. By removing the distractions, such as traffic, you can learn the
specific handling characteristics of your own bike . . . another great
confidence builder for a new rider!
Mama Wednesday, November 1 Dear VTwin Mama, I explored this issue without the benefit of any training or the great links on this site. It was on about my third ever session on a bike; my Suzuki GS500F; 180kg (400 pounds). I was stationary, in neutral with the wheel slightly turned. The wheel began to back away under me and I didn't know that applying the brake would stop it - worse, I avoided braking in case it bumped the bike down faster. I'm 5'7" and 140lb and managed to hold it as it went down so it had a very soft landing. Husband was a 3 minute walk around the corner but dignity was in getting the sucker up by myself before anyone came along! I stood facing forward with the bike (it fell right and was pretty much flat on the ground). I didn't know about gears so it was still in neutral. I picked up both handlebars and for my first lifting effort went into a low crouch, legs making a triangle shape, i.e. spread not together. It took 2 goes to get the leverage angle right, but by tucking my left calf up against the fairing/tank after the first heave, I got enough to brace the left leg. Then I could push off my right leg, which was braced further out from the bike, and lever the bike up. I knew to hold my lower back very flat and braced. I held the brake as the bike leveled out, and slowed down the lift to avoid the classic flip over the other side. As I was facing front, on the non-stand side, it wasn't hard to put my left leg over and sit on it as it got vertical. It did take some bloody minded determination as well as my strength, but it got the bike up from completely flat and I feel that I could do it again. Especially now I know to put it in gear first! I'm not so sure about a 500lb+ bike though - maybe swivel once you've cleared the ground enough so you can put your backside on the seat and continue as per the demonstrations. THEN I walked back to my husband as the engine wouldn't start (flooded) and frightened the daylights out of him . . . Alexa from Toronto Dear Alexa, I could envision though how you used your body from the side to then brace and leverage the bike once you were able to achieve a small angle up. I could also "hear" your determination to handle this on your own . . . I'm guessing there was a bit of an adrenalin rush to give you a shot of temporary strength that made a difference! The bottom line is that learning to pick up our bikes is one of the greatest confidence boosters! Each rider would do well to consider this necessary skill before needing it. That means taking a look at your bike, imagining it on it's side, and realizing what it would take. Then hop onto my Pick Up the Bike page for those links mentioned to get some beginning clues. While practice is useful, even just reading the techniques and looking at one's bike would be a step in the right direction. Thanks Alexa for sharing how you accomplished a
difficult task!
Mama Thursday, May 31 Dear VTwin Mama, Sadly though I have dropped it not once, but twice! The first time in gravel . . . ugghhh, and just yesterday morning. How it happened, I couldn't tell ya, all I know is that I was sitting on my bike after I started it up, started to get off to get my helmet on, and the next thing I know she went down, hard and fast. My left leg was pinned underneath for a few brief minutes . . . I managed to wiggle it out, but could not for the life of me pick the darn thing up, had to call my hubby to come home from work to help me get it back up, couldn't' ride it, broke the lever clutch off, was really bummed, as I was so extremely looking forward to riding my bike to work for the first time. Hubby showed me the technique on how to pick up the bike, but to be honest, I just don't know how I can do it, I tried several times, and no luck . . . any advice? Thanks! Autumn Dear
Autumn, So, my advice is to go to my Ride Technique: Pick Up Bike page . . . there you will find a number of links to sites that show you a good way to use your powerful thigh muscles to do the brunt of the work. If this is different than hubby showed you, then you can review the steps with him and practice. If it's the same, I would still practice some more. Here's the point . . . when it happens "for real" you will probably have a shot of adrenalin that boosts our raw lifting power . . . I've had sore leg and arm muscles on heavier bikes . . . but up they went! Keep at it, it's a great confidence booster! Mama Tuesday, June 12 Dear VTwin
Mama, All I can say is THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for posting that procedure. Hubby's 1987 Goldwing Aspencade went over when he was attempting to park it, the rear wheel went off the pavement onto gravel at a VERY slow speed (on a slant I might add) and over the old girl went. It landed on it's left side, in ALL gravel. We tried EVERYTHING and finally resigned ourselves to the fact that we were going to have to wait for a neighbor to come home (this is a community of retirees too, so no weightlifters in the bunch!). I refused to give up, ran a Google search on how to pick up a down bike and VOILA, there was your site. I've said all this to say, that with your technique, a 72-year-old that weighs 146 lbs. and a 52-year-old with rheumatoid arthritis in ALL her joints, were able to get that full dress Aspencade back up on it's two wheels without strain or injury. It did take two of us, side by side but it worked like a champ! What a confidence booster! THANKS THANKS THANKS! Twohappycyclists Dear
Twohappycyclists, Now you know that no matter where you go, you're at the ready to handle an oopsie, as they do happen , and you're right . . . it's one of the biggest confidence boosters around. For those who haven't seen the page, go to Ride Techniques: Pick Up Bike and there you will see links that show you step-by-step how to use your body correctly. It really does help to read, practice, and learn this! Mama Thursday, June 14 Hi Mama, Dear
Jessy, I need Ninja riders to chime in on this. Otherwise Jessy, you might want to go to one of many women-specific sport bike sites I have on my Women's Sites page, and pose the question to women who are more familiar . . . they may have tips and tricks that would be useful for you! Mama Thursday, August 9 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear
1Shot, Thursday, August 23 Dear VTwin Mama, Wish
I had seen those [pick up]
procedures PRIOR to dropping it!!!! I
am 48 years old, 53', and weigh 122 pounds (and
am very new to riding). So what, the bike weighs about 520 pounds with a
full tank ... which, of course, it had!!! My
first thought was ... I need help. But, as luck would have it, NOBODY was
around. I tried muscling the bike up ... what a JOKE!!!!!! ANYHOW,
point being ... I
came immediately into the house and looked up in the computer the
proper way to pick up a bike and found your site. And can I just
say, My
only wish is that I had found it sooner!!!!! Dear
Kathy, Currently the VTwin Mama "experience" is 6 1/2 years old, and everything is archived by subject in hopes that people seeking solutions can find help without being thought nuts, or worse, stupid. The site is a safe haven to address any and all concerns, and together we share and care. I see you have joined the VTwin Mama Message Board, which was created in October 2006. It's highly activate, free of spammer postings, and follows the core mission of VTM ... to make a difference! Mama Wednesday, November 5 Hi VTwin Mama, Dear Liz, I found the bike pickup video interesting because it shows a bike with no engine guard (that keeps a bike slightly at an angle when it's on the ground). That more typically applies to sport-style bikes but is also an issue with cruisers with no guard. Looking at the video over and over, I can see that the woman has her hand on the end of the handlebar closest to the ground and is gripping somewhere on the far side of the downed bike with her other hand. It looks like she's using a lot of back muscles in the initial pivot up ... not go great for less strong/older riders ... as thigh muscles tend to be our bigger powerhouse and lessens the possibility of back strain. Still it offers an alternative method and given that the bike weighs about 475lbs, she is wrestling up some poundage in 25 seconds or so! I found a number of video clips by typing "pick up motorcycle" in YouTube. On my Riding Technique: Pick Up Bike section, you can find links at the top to other step-by-step explanations with pictures. Mama 9Saturday, July 11 Hi VTwin Mama, Dear Elisa, Then you can practice by putting down an old piece of carpet or tarp, make sure that you have little gas in the tank and the petcock (if your bike has one) is off, and practice. There is no doubt that bikes with engine guards (also called highway bars or crash bars) come in handy as they keep a bike from laying completely flat on the ground. Mama
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